Boston Mayor Letter to Chick-Fil-A bashes them over their anti-gay stance

I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body. ha.

 

Spoiler

 

Sigh.

Lesbians are never as hot as they are in the movies.

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Scissor me timbers!!

 

Juvenile mockery aside, I am curious as to why people feel that civil unions, or Government getting out of it isn't enough.

I found this read interesting. Can you respond normally?

While the Bible does address homosexuality, it does not explicitly mention gay marriage/same-sex marriage. It is clear, however, that the Bible condemns homosexuality as an immoral and unnatural sin. Leviticus 18:22 identifies homosexual sex as an abomination, a detestable sin. Romans 1:26-27 declares homosexual desires and actions to be shameful, unnatural, lustful, and indecent. First Corinthians 6:9 states that homosexuals are unrighteous and will not inherit the kingdom of God. Since both homosexual desires and actions are condemned in the Bible, it is clear that homosexuals “marrying” is not God’s will, and would be, in fact, sinful.

Whenever the Bible mentions marriage, it is between a male and a female. The first mention of marriage, Genesis 2:24, describes it as a man leaving his parents and being united to his wife. In passages that contain instructions regarding marriage, such as 1 Corinthians 7:2-16 and Ephesians 5:23-33, the Bible clearly identifies marriage as being between a man and a woman. Biblically speaking, marriage is the lifetime union of a man and a woman, primarily for the purpose of building a family and providing a stable environment for that family.

The Bible alone, however, does not have to be used to demonstrate this understanding of marriage. The biblical viewpoint of marriage has been the universal understanding of marriage in every human civilization in world history. History argues against gay marriage. Modern secular psychology recognizes that men and women are psychologically and emotionally designed to complement one another. In regard to the family, psychologists contend that a union between a man and woman in which both spouses serve as good gender role models is the best environment in which to raise well-adjusted children. Psychology argues against gay marriage. In nature/physicality, clearly, men and women were designed to “fit” together sexually. With the “natural” purpose of sexual intercourse being procreation, clearly only a sexual relationship between a man and a woman can fulfill this purpose. Nature argues against gay marriage.

So, if the Bible, history, psychology, and nature all argue for marriage being between a man and a woman—why is there such a controversy today? Why are those who are opposed to gay marriage/same-sex marriage labeled as hateful, intolerant bigots, no matter how respectfully the opposition is presented? Why is the gay rights movement so aggressively pushing for gay marriage/same-sex marriage when most people, religious and non-religious, are supportive of—or at least far less opposed to—gay couples having all the same legal rights as married couples with some form of civil union?

The answer, according to the Bible, is that everyone inherently knows that homosexuality is immoral and unnatural, and the only way to suppress this inherent knowledge is by normalizing homosexuality and attacking any and all opposition to it. The best way to normalize homosexuality is by placing gay marriage/same-sex marriage on an equal plane with traditional opposite-gender marriage. Romans 1:18-32 illustrates this. The truth is known because God has made it plain. The truth is rejected and replaced with a lie. The lie is then promoted and the truth suppressed and attacked. The vehemence and anger expressed by many in the gay rights movement to any who oppose them is, in fact, an indication that they know their position is indefensible. Trying to overcome a weak position by raising your voice is the oldest trick in the debating book. There is perhaps no more accurate description of the modern gay rights agenda than Romans 1:31, “they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.”

To give sanction to gay marriage/same-sex marriage would be to give approval to the homosexual lifestyle, which the Bible clearly and consistently condemns as sinful. Christians should stand firmly against the idea of gay marriage/same-sex marriage. Further, there are strong and logical arguments against gay marriage/same-sex marriage from contexts completely separated from the Bible. One does not have to be an evangelical Christian to recognize that marriage is between a man and a woman.

According to the Bible, marriage is ordained by God to be between a man and a woman (Genesis 2:21-24; Matthew 19:4-6). Gay marriage/same-sex marriage is a perversion of the institution of marriage and an offense to the God who created marriage. As Christians, we are not to condone or ignore sin. Rather, we are to share the love of God and the forgiveness of sins that is available to all, including homosexuals, through Jesus Christ. We are to speak the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15) and contend for truth with “gentleness and respect” (1 Peter 3:15). As Christians, when we make a stand for truth and the result is personal attacks, insults, and persecution, we should remember the words of Jesus: “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you” (John 15:18-19).

 

OK....

If I am a non-believer, why should I care what the Bible says?

Keep church and state separate, like our founding fathers wanted it to be.

 

No point in arguing all this. The younger generation, for the most part, has no issue with gay marriage. It's just a matter of waiting for the old guard to lose "their" voice in our culture (which will happen in proportion with FoxNews losing its current viewership) and then dying.

It won't be long now.

 

I agree. So why isn't everyone fighting for that?!?

 

Some Conservatives and just about all Libertarians (i.e. Ron Paul) do. Liberals/Democrats rarely support this.

It's about controlling peoples actions with incentives (tax break if your married). Big government ideologies don't want to give that stuff up. They love telling others how to behave.

 

You cannot use the 1st amendment to justify homophobia and bigotry. Having the right to free speech does not give you the right to deny equal rights to gays.

The tide is turning

 

We're talking about the separation of church and state.....

 

You, like CometWin, don't know what a 'right' is. It is something you are born with. As in:

'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.'

A government-certified marriage is not a 'right'. That makes no sense. People fought very hard to create a system where you wouldn't lose those rights. You should know what they gave you.

So am I. Government shouldn't be certifying marriages (a religious practice).The reason it is done is for social engineering purposes.

 

First, let me say that your quote from Romans is my favorite verses in the bible. I think it fits perfectly, while not specifically mentioning homosexual sex, it doesn't matter. It's about the attitude and lack of judgement mentioned.

Actually there is some doubt as to whether or not God is against gay marriage. It is possible that it's clear in the bible just like it's clear that God is against eating shellfish.

But that being said there is an idea out there that the homosexuality mentioned in the bible actually is more against the pedophilia that was prevalent in Greece and the Roman empire at the time the texts were written. But that is another debate.

Even if the text is translated 100% accurately and it says that homosexuals won't inherit the Kingdom of God, what about other vs. that say who will inherit the kingdom of God? What if a homosexual one of the many other things that they bible says will get a person into the Kingdom of God?

Moving on even from that, I disagree with the whole approach of looking at the bible as a list of Do's and Don'ts. I don't believe that's the purpose of the bible (to list specific things you can and can't do.) I think it's a broader message telling people to Love. Almost every single thing listed as a "rule" would fall into the category of loving. The bible itself says that those who know love know God. So, in general I don't agree with pointing to specific verses and using it as a rule to not do something or do something, but believe it's in the bible to illustrate a larger point.

As far as keeping the govt. out of marriage, that is very complicated. Tax code would have to be restructured, inheritance law would have to be restructured, property laws, child support laws, etc. would all have to be restructured. Most people who now speak out about getting the govt. out of marriage, didn't care about whether the govt. was involved until the movement to have gay marriages legalized came into public debate. Only that point did most people start saying govt. should be out of all marriages in an effort to not appeal bigoted. Most of those people never once spoke out about govt. recognizing marriages until the issue of gay marriage came up.

I believe we agree on way more than we disagree with, and while I believe what I've said, I accept that I may be wrong. Maybe I'm interpreting things incorrectly. I have biblical reasons for my beliefs, but I'm learning more all the time, and evolving those beliefs.

 

Whether you want to call it a right or something else isn't really important. It's something the govt. allows one group of citizens, and denies the other group of citizens.

 

Question for anyone who thinks homosexuality and Christianity are incompatible. Have any of you read Leviticus? If so, do you also protest the sale and consumption of shrimp and pork? Do you believe in slavery as well? Same thing for Paul's letters. Have you ever wondered why in the stories of Sodom and Gamora there are only vague references to sexual misconduct, and not homosexuality specifically? Did you ever notice that God destroyed the city for its greed and lack of empathy, and not homosexuality? Ever wonder why Jesus doesn't mention homosexuality?

The overwhelming majority that believes Christianity condemns homosexuality is alarming. Please, if you are going to condemn someone, know the contact behind it. The Christians I respect the most emphasize love over all. They don't seek to deny it.

 

Yes or No?

Should a homosexual person be afforded the same rights as a heterosexual person?

 

Amen!

 

Yes, no politician or American ideology preaches otherwise as far as I know.

What you don't seem to understand is, government certified marriage is not a right.

 

'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.'

Every person in the country should have the right to marry the person they choose.

And You are high if you don't believe there are politicians or ideologies that preach hate against gay marriage

 

what point are you trying to make? government certified marriage wouldn't fall under liberty or pursuit of happiness. Again that makes no sense.