I was looking at the old medal counts and these dudes were always one of the top three. Since Germany became one country they have not enjoyed the same success. If there is any proof that steroid works this is it.
I blame it on the McDonald's in West Germany. What you said is solid proof that the East German have been eating too much Big Mac and French Fries since the reunification. Even the grandma of my neighbor knows they are not healthy for Olympics athletes.
I don't believe everyone is doping, but I wouldn't be surprised if some athletes (mainly the weightlifters) do. As for the OP, East Germany- like many Communist countries- did very well in the Olympics because their athletes trained year round in state of the art facilities. Whereas ours were college students.
Flaming, just tell me if you believe the East German athletes weren't doped to the fullest. According to the rants you guys brought against me in the other thread everyone that wasn't tested positive is clean and saying otherwise is "embarassing".
Yay, even more strawman argument. An insane hyperbole that nobody ever said which you made up in order to make your stance less idiotic. This is what you said. Think it through, very very slowly and clearly. The vast majority of athletes are doped, even when they are tested clean? If this is such a common knowledge, don't you think tests would have improved to increase their accuracy? Because apparently the vast majority of athletes around the world are doped yet test results say otherwise. You are basically implying that every single sports and science organization in the world are so incompetent that all of their drug tests are bypassed by more than 50% of illegal drug enhancement users. To put it more simply, you are saying that the vast majority of athletes in the world are taking illegal enhancement drugs, but all drug tests developed by the greatest minds in the world have failed to identify the "majority" of them. I don't know how that even passed through the filter in your brain. Of course some athletes guilty of doping somehow bypass the drug test, but to say that the majority of them are doing so?
East Germany had a widespread and systematic steriod program. It was basically government mandated that athletes undergo steroid treatment. Communist countries have been rather notorious for this, but that was the most extreme case. Saying all records are tainted until proven otherwise is just plain stupid. If everybody was juiced as you say, east germany would have never won those medals. They cheated, and won because of it, the majority of athletes don't.
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flaming, if the doping they take is not known because it is grown in specific labs, no test will ever be positive, no matter what mind develops the test.
PS And you didn't answer my question. Were the East Germans that were not busted clean? Do you believe the Final 8 of sprinting events at Olympics are clean, just because "great minds" develop these test and results are negative? Gatlin gets busted, is suspended for few years, comes back and runs 9.85s. Not tested positive, so he's clean because the tests are great, right? Phelps, Lochte, Chinese girl, Lithuanian girl and others clean because no evidence? Same applies for most of the track&field events. I just want to know if you really believe they are clean, you never answered it.
it is unfair to the athletes to have their accomplishments tainted by something that no proof exists for.
This is just embarrassing. What you just said has absolutely NO truth in it whatsoever. Absolutely none. You just basically said that if someone makes their own performance enhancing drugs it will never show up as positive in a test. Do you know what drug tests are or how it works? Does that not sound absolutely idiotic in your head? Following your logic, if somebody made their own cocaine-like drug it will never show up in tests. Use your head for a minute. Why do you think that's not the case? Why do you think people still widely distribute cocaine and not their own drug "grown in a specific lab" that will apparently not show up as positive in tests? If the results say they are clean, then they are clean until proven otherwise. It's really not that tough if you apply logic. You aren't guilty of molesting little boys until proven otherwise. Athletes aren't guilty of doping until proven otherwise.
^^ Okay now it's clear you know NOTHING about this field, I'm done. Don't use the word embarassing when you're the one that doesn't know anything about the specifics of doping, your cocaine example relates zero percent. There's no specific chemical in doping that is contained, the field has a giant variety with tons of different effects. Don't join a topic and call people out when you have no clue.
You probably believe there are a few indicators that detect every doping out there, please do yourself a favour and leave this topic.
