Orl meet with mavs about Dwight, orlando also prefers lakers offer over rockets

Read it again. What were stars before they were stars? Not everyone in the NBA can be a top 5 pick.

Also, WHAT STARS would you surround him with? That remains my question.

You also didn't explain why that team (D-Ho + rooks + JRich + Asik + Lin + others) couldn't contend??? You say it matter of factly like that team has no shot in the playoffs. I think it vaults the Rockets into 4th or 5th place in the West this year.

I am glad you are not our GM because you couldn't buy a clue. With the scenario I pointed out (and the one I believe Morey is pursuing), if we get DHo = great now we can attract other stars in FREE AGENCY next year to join a solid bed. If DHO walks, we can (1) trade him for SOMETHING before that happens; (2) watch him walk to Dallas and DESTROY their ability to field a competitive team; or (3) replace him with 2 or 3 solid additions to our GREAT foundation (as I laid out before).

I hate to say it, but look where hoarding rookies has gotten Golden State, Charlotte, Cleveland, Toronto, Sacramento, etc.

This is why I hesitated to post continually over the years = you end up in debates with people who (1) don't make a lot of sense; (2) supply little to no logic to support their points; and / or (3) fail to offer counter arguments.

 

Without actual data, your comparisons are meaningless.

http://www.sportstvjobs.com/resources/local-tv-market-sizes-dma.html

New York and Los Angeles are big deals for media markets because they have 7.4 and 5.6 million TV households, respectively. That dwarfs the next tier, which is led by Chicago at 3.4 and Philadelphia at 3.0. NY more than doubles it (more than 100% increase) and LA is close.

Dallas vs. Houston? A massive difference of 2.5 vs. 2.2. When you're that closely bunched together, overall "ranking" doesn't mean much at all. It comes down to the data. Adidas might pay a BIT more in Dallas, but it would be extremely minimal. I don't think it'd be anywhere near the $30 million or more difference in the NBA contracts, if any difference.

Likewise, the luxury tax card is incredibly misleading. Small subset of data in very limited time. Dallas has been a contender more often than Houston in recent years by the luck of Dirk's durability and the lack thereof for Yao/TMac. And if you're not a contender, why on earth would you pay it? The fact is, the Rockets under Les have shown no reluctance to make big additions (Barkley, Artest, etc.) when the team warrants it. Also, NBA players know very well that the Mavs let stars like Steve Nash and Tyson Chandler - the latter after a championship season - walk over minimal money disputes.

We can go back and forth on this all day. Fact is, the Rockets and Mavs are comparable franchises from a market and organizational perspective. That makes it fairly unlikely (not impossible, but...) for someone to leave one for the other when taking a $30 million or more paycut.

 

Wish I could rec this twice.

 

First of all, (and most importantly) I call BS on your first statement there about what Adidas would pay Howard as incentive for being in the specific markets of LA, NY, Houston and Dallas. That information has not been provided to the public. So without a source to back up this claim, you're just blowing smoke out your butt. And it's misinformation like this that spreads false rumors.

Secondly, Dallas going over the luxery tax isn't the problem for Dallas. There is no feasible way that they can get a third max player on their team with Dirk and Howard as long as Dirk is still on his current contract. They can't sign and trade another superstar if they're over a certain salary limit. They won't have the cap space to sign two max contract players in 2013. And they won't have the trade assets to outright trade for a third superstar for at least a few years.

 

What stars would I surrond D12 with the names that are always thrown around Iggy/Gay/Jsmoove/Ellis etc. their the only available stars.

Im sorry but you have to be a serious homer if you think Dwight/Lin/Asik/and whatever rooks we have left is enough to contend in the West with OKC/Lakers/Clippers/SA.First we would have no go-to guy with that team and our big guys would get foul in the 4th qrt and D12/Asik suck at ft,how do you expect us to contend without a guy who can create his own shot.

Yeah and your suppose to be a gm.

 

I'm not sure how it's possible, given the stage he played on last year... but Jeremy Lin is going to surprise a LOT of our fans this year. Think he's very capable of becoming a second banana on a contending team. Not that I wouldn't still try to go after a Smith/Gay type, but I don't think it's completely necessary.

 

Lin would be the best player Dwight has ever played with (and most famous too, for whatever that's worth).

I think they would work fantastic together, too. Everybody saw how well Lin and Tyson Chandler meshed--Dwight has the same strengths as Chandler, but even better, and fewer weaknesses.

I don't think we're quite championship contenders with just Lin/Dwight, mainly because the super teams are SO strong right now (namely Miami, OKC, LA). But if we added one more borderline all star type I think we would at least be in the mix.

 

Point blank...D.HOWARD IS AT THE MERCY OF ANY TEAM THAT ACQUIRES HIM FROM ORLANDO....he lost hours leverage when he and whether he sign answer extension with the team he is, traded to or not he has that choice only...players don't pick teams (the lebron /bosh situation was a crazy exception ) but gms and the teams front office do....

This howard has screwed himself and he myself, morey and any other INTELLIGENT basketball fan knows this.it just a matter of waiting this out and seeing what Hennigan wants in return.I'm more than positive morey has thought about this in regards to howard coming to houston and has it covered .not a morey lover (or hater )but I will give him that much .

 

I hate my phone...sorry for the typos.

 

I am going to chalk the grammar mistakes up to you being young. That would also explain your mindset.

I said it before and I will say it again - pay attention. We wouldn't be the best team in the West, but we would at least be in the playoffs. Moreover, the addition of a Howard brings appeal back to the franchise. But you have to have SUPPORTING pieces. The Heat had 2 of the arguably the top 5 players in the NBA plus another top 10 / 15 player (it's debatable). But they got beat by a BETTER TEAM (Dallas). So what did they do? Add pieces to their stars. (Kind of like the Celtics did, but in reverse.)

If we keep the rookies (who are talented) and acquire DHo, players on other teams and free agents will take note of that NEXT YEAR. They will think sheesh, Houston has a good base! I can go there, GET PAID, and contend for a championship.

Look at the other top teams in the West (2013). OKC will likely lose Ibaka or Harden OR BOTH. The Lakers ain't getting any younger. The Clippers are the Clippers (until Donald Sterling sells that team will remain cursed). The Mavs will be shot - even if they acquire DHo. Spurs ain't getting younger and their window looks to have closed. Who will be the most welcoming team with talent, money, and a bright future: Houston. So get my agent to call Morey and tell him to move me to Clutch City.

Most of those additional guys you mentioned (Iguodala, J. Smith, etc.) are FREE AGENTS NEXT YEAR. Who is going to have the cap space, the roster, and one of the best big men in the league on their team? Hint: It ain't L.A. or Dallas or SA. It's Houston.

I may be a homer by thinking that the addition of 1 of the best big men in the game would put Houston into the top 5 of the Western Conference. But we were d@mn near the 8th seed on a wing and prayer last season.

Yes, L.A., San Antonio, OKC, and the Clippers would definitely / probably be better than us THIS YEAR - as I have pointed out previously.

But next year - with the addition of Howard (or Bynum or Jefferson AND Iguodala or Mayo + the team I described earlier), we should be 1 or 2 in the West.

As far your concerns about ability to create their own shot and 4th Q. FT abilities, you (nor I) have ANY idea about how the rookies will play in the NBA. Everyone wants to KNOW those things before they play, but that ain't reality. There are VERY few of those players in this new watered down version of the NBA. Maybe 10 of those players in the NBA: Miami has two of them so there is little else for the rest of us. BUT, if you have a cohesive team and everybody understands their role (a la Detroit), you can make it happen. This year, we won't win the NBA title (sorry, honestly think it will be a repeat by the Heat over OKC and nobody else really even has a shot unless injuries rear their ugly head). But next year? There will a new team ready to challenge from the West: Rudy T said it best, "Clutch City, baby!"

Also, as far as your concerns about offense, defense - especially in the NBA - wins championships. Can you stop the other team becomes the biggest concern. When the Bad Boys were knocking off the Bulls even though EVERYBODY KNEW the Bulls were more talented, it was because of their ability to get key stops (sorry, that may be before your time). When the Rox won our championships, it was because of defense (especially that of Olajuwon, Horry, Maxwell, Elie, and Cassell). (Once again, my apologies if you have no idea what I am talking about.)

Sorry for the ramble, but I think my blood sugar is low = I need some food. Feel free to let this marinate and go break out the NBA reference book so you can see where I am coming from.

 

So we should be happy making the playoffs with Dwight/Lin rookies,yeah then Dwight will walk straight to Dallas or Atlanta.Also how do you think we will have capspace next year if we take on Dwight and some of Orlando's bad contracts?

Like I said Morey is no fool he has a plan and best believe he will aquire another star if he lands Dwight.I can't believe this dude thinks keeping Lin/rookies with Dwight will make him stay with us longterm.SMH

 

Did you NOT read above about what others and myself think once DHo is acquired? Especially about him walking to Dallas, you really need to learn to READ and open your eyes. I swear you have some Beats by Dre headphones on and nothing else can get into your brain.

Also, the playoffs is a whole different animal. Do yourself a favor and go back to watch the Rox in the playoffs in 94 & 95, EVERYBODY wrote us off BOTH years. 94 because we were a low seed and 95 because the Magic were young & unstoppable? How'd that work out again? Didn't Shaq when his first ring that year? Oh. Wait....

If you take on 2 (which is what I said, once again, READ YOUNG MAN... it will spare you some pain in life. You know like when the lighter says point away from face. I am sure you had a dickens of a time explaining your missing eyebrows to your parents. But it was a lesson learned! ) of those bad contracts (JRich & Duhon), you can probably unload them NEXT YEAR because they will be EXPIRING CONTRACTS next year.

Do you not understand how the system works???

Where is DHo going to go without leaving $30 - $40M dollars on the table?? If he does leave, now we still have cap space for a big man (Bynum or Jefferson or etc.) paired with an athletic wing (Mayo or Iguadola). SOMEBODY will be happy to come to Houston with for that money; that base of players; and a bright future. But I don't think it's going to be you or fans like you because you have no vision to see.

Anyway, I am done with you. Enjoy your limited understanding of professional basketball that is also a BUSINESS.

Deuces!

 

We won't. We'd have to lose maybe Lamb and Dmo.

Both? Only if they trade for a Howard type. And they could trade Harden for a high draft pick or some promising talent on a rookie contract.

Don't assume Howard would stay. He has shown he is, at best, erratic.

 

So what if we lose Lamb or D-Mo? You aren't willing to give up one of those two and maybe one more lesser guy in exchange for Dwight Howard? Are you nuts?

 

(1) You don't know who we have to lose and with each day Orlando loses leverage. I think it is possible to lose Lamb or DMo, IMHO not both (and as I said before watch Morey work).

(2) Oklahoma cannot keep all those high salaries and keep everyone happy. It is the nature of the business. Someone is going to come hard after Ibaka or Harden... and like I said possibly both. OKC could decided to cut its losses and try to develop some of the other guys they have. I think they are trying to apply the San Antonio model and SA always let guys go when it was time for a pay day - except Tim & TP (plus it's worked out pretty well for them... and I hate it!)

(3) I am NOT assuming Howard will stay. Does anybody read?? I am saying if he stays = great. We can try to add another star. If he goes, we will try to get something for him before then. Or we will use his space to acquire another talented big man (Bynum or Jefferson or Ibaka, etc.) and add another star (Mayo or Iguodala or Harden, etc.).

Bruh, Morey has set up the chessboard nicely. He did so as well in last fall before the Commish came in and kicked over the board. So unless that happens again, I think we will be just fine.

 

Like I said im glad you are not our gm,you're crazy if you don't think Dwight will walk from Lin/rookies.

 

It's like you can't even read.

 

Morey is waiting for Orlando to make a move,he's not offering all our rookies for a rental.

 

Sounds about right. He's lowballing because he's not in a bidding war and Hennigan has no reason to accept the deal yet. Once we get closer to the season, someone has to budge. Hopefully it's Henny.

 

Ok. Lets assume he comes here in a trade

(The worst scenario plays out)
-he wants to go to Dallas in the offseason
-Rockets cannot convince him to come back
-Dallas has nothing to offer in a sign a trade that we would like
-He would accept less to go there
-they somehow managed or the Nets managed to free up money for this scenario

Then how would you feel about it? I think for this to work he would have to go to the Lakers if he left for the Rockets to get back something or the Nets. In which case you help the Lakers possibly win 1 last championship and get Bynum for a possible max contract. Ponder all of that and ask yourself if you want this highly likely to be one of the possible scenarios to play out.