Boston Mayor Letter to Chick-Fil-A bashes them over their anti-gay stance

Gay Christians are an interesting bunch. Particularly the very devout ones. They see themselves as sinners, but as no different than any other sinner (which we all are).

Separate religion and state, yet religious leaders are part of the few that have the right to legally marry. Stupid isn't it?

 

He is just one vote. You can go get one if you want, perhaps just not in your home state.

Boycott the churches. Change the church, and you change the way the majority of Southerners think.

 

I know some devout gay Christian friends who believe their sinners...but not for the reason that Chief Chicken believes they're sinners. They believe they're sinners because it's the starting place of Christianity...because they know they're capable of having a heart that is apart from that of God's the same way I know the very same thing about myself.

 

Christian conservatives who deny gays the right to marry are bigots because they are putting them on a lower plane to themselves. Homosexual activists are not bigots because they are not trying to deny the right of heterosexuals any right.

Christians are the ones not tolerating gays to live their lives. Gays are tolerant of heterosexuals.

Being a bigot means believing one group is superior or entitled to rights that another is not based on religious, gender, race differences. Differences that should not matter. Everyone has some racist tendencies, but there is a big difference between being biased and being a bigot.

If you think gays should not be allowed to enter into civil unions you are a bigot.

 

I don't know that it's stupid. I think there's value in allowing whatever religious traditions come with marriage. It's the allowing it for some and not others from a legal standpoint where my problem lies.

 

And Christians are bigots because they don't (supposedly) like the gays that hate them? Really?

Why do you naturally assume, and generalise, that all Christians hate gay people?
If any Christian truly hates any fellow human being, I don't believe that he can truly call himself a Christian or a follower of Christ.

Christian's may not like, agree with, accept, condone or encourage certain activities, behaviour or doctrine, but that shouldn't be an excuse for a Christian to hate his fellow man.
Jesus said that if you have hatred in your heart it is basically the same as murder, or murderous intent.

It is also written...

Luke 6:27
"But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,
bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you...

Luke 6:31 Do to others as you would have them do to you...

If you don't follow these commandments that Jesus laid out, then are you truly following him?

That doesn't mean that we can't strongly disagree with the behaviour or actions of someone, or some group.

If there was a car accident and people needed help, how could I tell if the person was gay or not? Would it matter? Would I turn my back on them because of their sexual orientation?

If I hated gays I would, but my first instinct would be to help them, even if it were obvious that they were gay.
Why? Because it is the right thing to do. It would also be the Christian thing to do.

Westbourogh church has got it wrong when they hold up signs saying 'God hates gays', God loves all of his children, he just doesn't love or condone some of our actions...
1 Cor 6:9
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

Too make it clear, I hate no one...except the Utah Jazz.:grin:

 

I will vote. He's expressing his views and so am I.

 

If you say I hate you because you're gay and I say well I don't like you because you hate me for being gay. I'm the intolerant bigot? That's great.

More scripture please, that makes all the difference in the world.

 

I was going to respond to your ludicrous rebuttal with some humour and insight but it is 2:30am down under, and I don't think that you will understand the fact that all of us have a little bigotry in us, even if it was explained to you 1000 times.

Spoiler

Btw, as I've said over and over, I don't hate anyone for being gay, and that means that I don't hate gay people.

And I'm glad that you liked the scripture...there is plenty more where that came from.

 

#1 No one is forcing a church to marry homosexuals, and I would not support a referendum to do so.
#2 Marriage has long existed outside of Christianity. Further, what if a Christian church volunteers to marry gays. Is that not a "valid" marriage?

 

1: Not yet, but there are these things called discrimination laws...just saying.
& who said that there would be a referendum?
2:

This is true, and it has always been between a man and a woman, or in some cases a man & some women.

see United Church of Canada.

Question:
But why would a gay person want to be married in a church? It would be like a Jewish kid having his bar mitzvah in a mosque.

 

close to why would a gay person want to be a priest

 

#1 If there is no referendum to prevent chick-fil-a from operating their business, and people are boycotting chick-fil-a for supporting opposition to same-sex marriage, then what is the problem?

I have no problem with those showing their support for chick-fil-a by purchasing additional sandwiches, etc.


#2 Why would a gay want to be married in a Christian church? The obvious answer would be because they are Christian. Christianity has splintered off in so many directions that there is little definitive agreement. I know a Christian Church in Illinois that has a lesbian reverend. Are you deciding that they are not Christians?

 

out of all the talk around this issue only Cathy has not once uttered the word "hate".

 

You can't reason a person out of a position that they didn't arrive at through reason.

 

boy, that is a huge assumption on your part. I'm glad you know everybody so well.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/30/us/mississippi-black-couple-wedding/index.html

This can still happen. Your argument doesn't hold water. 50+ years later, it is still legal for a church to deny services to two black people. No entity is forcing them, but they are being publicly shamed, which is within everyone's rights as an American.

Atheists and interfaith marriages still occur, which, in theory, are a much much bigger affront to "God." Where are the rallies and chicken sandwich days to keep that from happening?

And the definition of marriage changes over time. Saying "this is the way it's always been" is a pretty poor defense of anything.

If your argument can be substituted to oppose interracial marriages, as it was in the mid 20th century, it's a pretty poor, bigoted argument.

 

He's the only one advocating a policy of discrimination and bigotry, through imposing his supposed "moral" religious beliefs.

People don't use religion to inform their actions, they use it to justify them, bigotry included. Bigotry wrapped in prayer is still bigotry.

 

Why is this so hard to understand?

The First Amendment is for everyone.

The CEO of Chick-fil-a has the right to express his views. We the people have the right to express our views.

If the CEO of a large corporation expresses his political or religious views, he should expect some people to support him and others to not support him. Those who do not support him have the right to not support his business.

People just the crap out of me sometimes.....

 

Repping and seconding this post.

If Christians don't hate homosexuals and Christian churches are not forced to recognize why such opposition to it from Christians?

This is is a secular matter and under separation of church and state the government should not be bound by religious definition of marriage nor should the church be bound by the governments.

Also why is an Austalian raising such a stink about it when Australia has gay marriage already?