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Boston Mayor Letter to Chick-Fil-A bashes them over their anti-gay stance

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  1. juicystream

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    Gays have the same rights.
     
  2. FranchiseBlade

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    No two adult homosexuals don't have a right to marry the person they love like two adult heterosexuals.

    By that fact, they don't get the same tax breaks, legal consideration regarding health care, visitations, tax breaks etc.
     
  3. CometsWin

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    And that's the problem. It's not my religion. Why should anyone be legally denied something afforded to most by the government because someone else's religion says so?
     
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    neither are the citizens who choose not to spend money at Chick Fil A.

    in other words, the mayors of Boston or Chicago didn't encourage the boycott, and their empty threats were just that.

    this thread, even though its title is about the mayor of Boston, is about snubbing the noses against anyone who dared declare they take their business elsewhere.

    so my question to anyone who bragged about their local CFA being full and proudly ate their freedom sandwich to stand up against "religious persecution"-

    do you support organizations like One Million Moms who call for the boycott of amazon.com for their donation to pro gay organizations, or of JC Penney for simply hiring a spokesperson (Ellen DeGeneres) who is a gay person?
     
  5. Air Langhi

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    I think boycotting a store with thousands of employees based on the opinions of its founder is kind of dumb. They seem to be good restaurant and help a lot of people in the community and their I like their franchising policies as it helps people who may not have a ton of capital.

    However people saying all these people showing up means how they are standing up to government etc. should take a look at this picture.

    [​IMG]
     
  6. juicystream

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    Is Dan Cathy stopping you from having a gay marriage? Is Chick-fil-a stopping you from having a gay marriage?
     
  7. FranchiseBlade

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    That's correct. Nobody that I'm aware of is accusing Chick-Fil-A of discriminating, They are accusing the owner of being a bigot.

    The owner is a bigot by his own words.

    I will still eat at Chick-Fil-A, but I'll speak out against what the owner has said, and applaud everyone else that does as well. I'm against the city govt. using official powers to interfere with the business of Chick-Fil-A.

    I don't see too many people thinking it's a good thing. However, the Mayor calling out bigotry and others supporting that is also free speech, and being intolerant of bigotry isn't really intolerance.

    If a church doesn't want to perform gay marriages, that is there right. I believe they should be entitled to that right.

    If another church is willing to offer gay marriages, I support that right. The government should recognize all marriages whether homo or hetero the same. That is the fair and non-discriminatory thing to do.
     
  8. juicystream

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    Tax law is actually better off to remain single rather than get married in most cases.

    Almost with every insurance company and most states they do have the same legal standing regarding health care and visitation.

    I can only have a legal marriage to one person and it has to be a woman. The right isn't different.
     
  9. CometsWin

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    Yes, by voting for and supporting politicians that oppose it.
     
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    What really gets me about his comments is the nation inviting God's wrath part. Yeah, becuase if slavery, segregation, genocide of Native Americans, child labor, how we treat the poor and disabled, etc. didn't do it, two dudes saying "I do" totally will!
     
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    You get a tax break for being married often more than one.

    There are other things such as a partner dying without a will that in the case of married couples almost everything would go to the spouse. Since gays can't marry that doesn't apply to them.

    Again, a heterosexual is allowed to marry the person they love, a homosexual isn't. The days of marriage as a contract are pretty much gone in the U.S. and most would agree that marriage is done for love. Homosexuals aren't allowed to do that. It isn't the same.
     
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    So you think the first amendent doesn't apply to mosques and that the USA should strive to be more like Saudi Arabia. Ok.
     
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    bigot
    a person who constantly and stubbornly holds a particular point of view etc a religious bigot.

    One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.


    a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race...


    Wouldn't that make nearly everyone a bigot in one way or another?

    I mean if anyone is engaged in bigotry it is you for judging my opinion as wrong without even knowing why I have this opinion.

    If Christian conservatives are bigots for opposing or not agreeing with homosexual activities and agendas, aren't homosexual activist also bigots for being strongly partial to their own group, and being intolerant of the Christian point of view because it is different to theirs?

    Don't we all hold fast & firm to one belief or another?

    Also to equate homosexuality with race is absurd, it might be fashionable and get that civil rights and 'justice for all' sympathy vote, but as G. K. Chesterton pointed out, “Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions.”

    You might find a few, if not many former homosexuals, but I bet that you will never find any former African-Americans.
     
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    Take your business elsewhere. You are free to do it. Just seems like a terrible reason to boycott a place. Boycotting the religious ideals of the President of the Company (or whatever executive position he holds).

    Almost as crazy as the people that lined up at Chickfila yesterday.

    One Million Moms doesn't provide me with anything, why would I support them directly? I shop at Amazon and JC Penney. I also shop/eat a number of places where I'm provided a service that I think is agreeable for the price offered. I don't know what any of their owners believe in or what they spend their money on. Let them spend it on booze, hookers, & blow. It is their money.

    I'm as pro-life as it gets. I'm not going to quit eating at BK if they come out and say they are pro-choice? Nope.
     
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    Strawman...wrong thread and off topic.
     
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    Because legally he has no basis to deny the permit and I have yet to see anything where he has legally denied a Chik-Fil-A a permit. He, as much as anyone else, can say that Chick-Fil-A shouldn't have a permit but that is a different matter than actually legally denying a permit.

    If Chik-Fil-A was denied a permit solely on the grounds that the mayor didn't agree with the CEO's opinion on Gay Marriage they would have good grounds to sue and I suspect the ACLU would support them on that.


    What you might not understand is that under the federal system the local government has almost sole control of the issuance of permits, believe me I have dealt with this several times in architecture. Heck prior to the 14th Amendment the states essentially could ignore the Bill of Rights. So when you say what the mayor is doing is unconstitutional actually it is. He is protected under the First Amendment to voice his disapproval of Chik-Fil-A and as the mayor of the municipality that issues the permit it is non only constitutional but in his purview to comment on the likelyhood of them getting permitted.
     
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    So gays are bigots because they don't like the Christians that hate them? Really?
     
  18. Rocketman95

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    IOW, yes.
     
  19. juicystream

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    The only way you are going to be better off tax wise being married is if one partner makes substantially more than the other. Otherwise, you are better of as being single. I wouldn't lie to you. Getting married is a terrible financial decision for a lot of people. You could say at least a man and a woman have the choice with each other. Would be fun just to try a return with 2 men/women just to see what happens. I've done joint state returns for gay partners (most states allow it now).

    Write a will. Easy fix.

    I love other men. I can't marry them. Difference is I don't find them sexually attractive. What if I wanted to get married exclusively for these benefits? I can't. The rights are the same, but you are arguing for additional rights be granted. I don't disagree with that.
     
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    This just might be your best post ever. Holy crap this x100000000000000.
     

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