The Islamic prayer times wouldnt be an issue at all. Sure its best to pray the 5 prayers when the time for them comes around but you have a window from one prayer coming in to the next to pray it. Example: Asr, the mid afternoon prayer (3rd prayer of the day) comes in at 5:30 pm. The next prayer doesn't come in until 8:20pm. the competition is at 6:30pm. A Muslim has a near 3 hour window to pray his prayer on time. If the prayer ritual (Salat) takes on average 5 mins to complete, there would be no problem, no need to accommodate or anything. The Muslim competitor prays before the competition starts at 6:30 or waits til it's over and goes to pray, or prays anytime in between when he has the opportunity to do so. Which brings to mind Hakeem Olajuwon, when he became heavily devout during his career and there was a game at night. He'd have a nice window to pray his prayer that falls within game time during possibly halftime without any issue. He wouldnt need to run off the court and demand to get subbed out because the prayer time came in...he knows he has a window so he bides his time when he's free and has at least 5 mins more or less to himself.
Well, in Islam, you have plenty of time to pray before/after the event. These events don't last 4 or more hours so prayer times shouldn't be a problem. That being said, I'm curious to hear which 10 different religions have different prayer times in a way it would affect the event. do those religions not have a certain amount of time given to pray?
I would recommend that every other athlete starts their own religion, coming up with ridiculous demands for "modesty" (e.g., some religion could consider it more "modest" to wear a clown nose), just to show how ridiculous these demands by the Saudi Islamist fanatics through their proxy, this poor girl, are.
In my opinion, they shouldn't let her compete unless she follows the rules. I was just responding to Izakdavid's prayer times question. It shouldn't make a difference since in Islam, there is a window.
You are basically admitting that your beef isn't with a rule change, it's with Islam. You find their culture ridiculous; I find your comments ridiculous, insensitive, ignorant, and bigoted. You act as if Muslim Women are forced into their culture, they are no more forced than Christians in a Western country. Just because people don't think like you, doesn't mean you have to demean their culture. This is not a Saudi government policy. It is a cultural norm.
That's ATW's sole mission in the hangout and D&D section of Clutchfans. To unleash his bigotry towards Islam in any way he can.
Eh.....it's not as if Muslim countries are amazing examples of equality among the sexes. I don't really think there is much to disagree with there. I mean this whole thread is about a piece of cloth a woman has to wear on her head because of a standard set by men. Women don't really have a ton of choices in most Muslim nations because of what men have dictated.
According to Islam, the Qur'an is the direct word of God dictated to Muhammad via the Angel Gabriel. Men did not dictate modesty, God did. Also, the government does not FORCE them to wear hijabs. It is their religious culture that PRESSURES them to modestly veil themselves. We seem to forget that even the United States was not exactly the model for equality amongst sexes just under a century ago. The West is not the East. We are different. Why can't people try to understand our differences rather than criticize them using our culture as a basis, as if it is the only standard for culture?
Just to clarify... I have no issue with this athlete being a Muslim or wanting to wear her hijab, what I do have a problem with is the rules of the international federation, in regards to uniform, were altered to accommodate 1 athlete, out of the 1000 or so athletes at the Olympics, because she refused to conform to the rules and regulations of the tournament. The rules say no headgear...if you choose to wear a hijab, then choose another sport that allows headgear. Don't pick a sport then whine, complain and threaten to pull out if your demands to change the rules, so they suit your lifestyle choice aren't met. I would feel the same way if a Hindu or a Sikh wanted to wear a turban or headdress.
....I would feel the same way if a Hindu or a Sikh wanted to wear a turban or headdress. Or an Aussie wanted to wear a hat with corks hanging off it.
If Muslim women were making a free choice like a nun makes a choice to become a nun then I'd have no issue with it. That's definitely not the case however in countries like Saudi Arabia. Let's not ignore that reality and pretend it doesn't exist. Furthermore, this idea that a woman has to cover her hair or a man might hit on her and she might accidentally become a w**** is archaic and stupid. The modern world rejects this nonsense. And certainly there are practitioners in every religion that aren't practicing the "right way" but in other religions it typically doesn't result in someone getting killed for not following a custom or tradition. This violence happens far too often in Islam and it's disingenuous not to admit that.
Men do not have to wear veils. God did not dictate that Muslim women have to be veiled. There is a hijab of modesty which is culturally defined. The origins of veiling are likely based on displaying socioeconomic status and became woven into the fabric of Muslim culture as time went on. Further, the hijab dress code for women is all centered around the woman being a sex object to men from everything I have read. Yes I understand the "West" is not the "East", but also the "West" and "East" are not homogenous in their treatment of women. Various cultures in the West and East are less oppressive and less sexist to women.
Yes, you are correct, and it didn't take me too long to see how ignorant I was. I just never expected there to be an Olympic sport for people in my kind of shape. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/TcgTfa9SpFA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Funny how hijab is a bigger deal than allowing daggers into the Olympics http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...rds-at-Olympics-to-avoid-causing-offence.html Religious tolerance FTW
