Pakistani police man kills sister for wearing jeans

You need to post from sources that do not have an agenda to have credibility.
In that ENTIRE article there was not even a single mention of what the actual Quran says about females and education. This is a purely cultural aspect. Its all cultural relativism. I can just point to my own personal experience with Bengali Muslims. Parents in our culture hound their kids to pursue higher education, girl or boy.

 

That kid was not suspected of planning to attack the pentagon.
He actually wanted to, and planned it.
His guilty plea along with an agreement to serve a 17 year prison term reflect that.
The fact that it was a plea agreement means that if it went to court, the prosecution could have probably charged him with allot more with the likely-hood of him being found guilty.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...erdaus-admits-plan-to-attack-pentagon-capitol

Just out of curiosity, what Marine unit were you in, what was your MOS and what part of Afghanistan were you in?

 

ATW posts provocative article to further his agenda against Islam. Check

ATW gets owned by posters. Check

ATW resorts to personal attacks. Check

 

I hold no water for ATW or his beliefs, but this statement tells us all we need to know about your thought process.

You are everything that you hate.

 

So i have to prove my credentials huh?
2/6 fox co 3rd platoon
0311
marjah, afghanistan... ripped with 1/6.
Was only there for 3 months since I was medevaced out from shrapnel woulds from a dfc(directional fragmentation charge).

 

o and I know the story of the kid, but it is irrelevant to my point that if Huma Abedin has ties to Islamic terrorism than I do to.

 

Lack of education and industrialization, and inflated tribalism coupled with both an unstable and tyrannical political atmosphere that stifles progressive discourse and is altogether far too happy to keep its citizens living in the third world in order to further oppress them? The fact that the nation [Pakistan], along with many other Middle Eastern nations have artificial borders that didn't take into account sectarian/cultural/religious differences between the peoples being divided which has now led to intense infighting that has further led to a manipulated sense of pan-culturalism and religious zealotry muddled neath the flag of a perverted sense of nationalism?

I mean, gee, I really don't know. What reasons were you looking for? The reasons I listed above would make any people into violent animals, and frankly they are very real issues in the Middle East. Sorry that the answer isn't as simple as "Islam bad. Bad Islam!" or "Brown people no do gud!"

 

"You must spread some rep around before giving it to Apps again."

Here is a post I made to add to a discussion between adeel and ATW 16 months ago from the thread about the Christian mother being executed in Pakistan for what she allegedly said.

"They are both related. Any idea, regardless of how peaceful its message is, can be manipulated and distorted. Lack of education and backwards mentality in a vacuum will inevitably lead to violence. With an ideology like Islam, that process is sped up due to certain passages in the Quran and the Hadith (which other Muslims but not myself also believe in literally).

That Islam (just the Quran in this example) has parts which espouse violence cannot be denied. That strict stipulations are put into place to ensure violence isn't wanton and used by extremists like nowadays is irrelevant, for a substantial number of Muslims are uneducated and ignorant, and like sheep they blindly follow men with hatred in their hearts who may or may not have had unjustness done to them.

Women lack education in the region because of centuries-old patriarchal culture under men who have hitched their male chauvinism to religion in spite of the fact that the Quran says men and women are equal.

My sister, mother, and aunts all have bachelor's and master's degrees, some even have doctoral degrees. They are all Muslim, and none of them wear the burqa, niqab, or hijab. Because their faith commands them to always pursue knowledge, they don't lack education."

 

As we've seen in the gun control thread crazy people will find a way to kill no matter what. It's the crazy people not the religion or guns that are the problem.

 

If you have a group pushing an ideology on an uneducated society, I don't think you can really say every single one of these guys are crazy.

 

Regardless of what Islam does or does not say, women's education is not promoted or encouraged in Islamic countries. In fact it is looked down upon. This is actually a common theme in Islamic countries and many Muslim families. As a result, a large percentage of women do not go to school in Islamic countries. I am sure you can point to individual cases where this is not actually the case (I have several Muslim friends who told their families who were preparing the arranged weddings that they would not marry anyone unless it was a Muslim women who had a minimum of a Masters degree), but when we look at the big picture, this is what we find.

Here's a very revealing comment by Bill Gates when asked about Saudi Arabia becoming a technological powerhouse.
"Well, if you’re not fully utilizing half the talent in the country, you’re not going to get too close to the Top 10."

Here is a link to the above quote.
http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2010/01/bill-gates-tells-truth-in-saudi-arabia.html

The most successful countries in the world are those that heavily promote education for all people within their borders. Germany, Japan and Israel.

Everyone has heard of German and Japanese engineering. I am amazed by what these countries has done since they were completely obliterated after WWII. They produce a large part of worlds products, both countries are leaders in everything from aerospace engineering to pharmaceutical research.

Israel's economy is 4 times larger than than all of it's neighbors combined.This is despite having to spend a very large amount of money on defense. It has one of the highest levels of college educated adults as a percentage of the population.
Here is a youtube video with interesting facts about Israel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV6K08RFRQs

BTW - I am not Israeli or Jewish, but I wish the county I am from could be as successful and accomplish the things that countries like, Germany, Japan and Israel have.

The most successful Islamic country economically was probably Iran during the time of the Shaw because he heavily promoted education for all people. He often said he wanted to make Tehran the Paris of the Middle East /Islamic world. That all changed after he got overthrown.

The point I am trying to make is that Education for women is not promoted in Islamic countries at the same level as it is in European and Asian countries. And that also goes for men as well. We just need to look at the number of men as a percentage of the population that have college degrees, or for that matter, completed primary education.

An educated society along with political stability go a long way towards economic success.

 

Though he offers little - if any - solutions to this problem, it is inconsistent to criticize someone for raising awareness of a real and frustrating problem even if it seems most of his posts in this forum have one style.

How many threads in the D&D can be consolidated under the labels of: special interests, the influence of money in politics, religion vs. science, the rise of the corporate state, and/or the hyper-polarization of America (and to an extent the Western world)?

Climate change, gun control, unemployment and inequality, banning fatty-sugary foods, politicians taking things out of context, systemic corruption in the financial industry, you name it. It almost always fall under the labels above, but few ever say, 'not this topic again...'

Even if I'm not a fan of his ad hominems and provocative attitude, ATW isn't that different from any other D&D poster discussing something they strongly believe in, regardless if it's the same recycled topic. Almost all of us are hamsters running on a wheel. Maybe after reading the same topic for the hundredth time, some reader may have the fortitude to do something tangible about the problem.

 

His "spread awareness" goal is false altruism. He and I can agree that justified or not Islam ALREADY is the most scrutinized and feared religion in the world today. If he already knows this then I have to make an assumption that he is just spreading his irrational fear of something that will probably never effect him.

 

It depends on the country...

I think large amounts of US economic aid has helped these countries - but nevertheless you are essentially right. Wide spread education, stable democracies, and political cooperation could go a long way to improving conditions in the Muslim world...

Yes, it was very successful during the time of the Shaw...:grin:
All kidding aside, Iran was successful economically because of its vast oil wealth. While I don't disagree with your idea here - your example is a bad one...

I think we can all agree on that.

 

This... Look at Bangladesh, a Muslim country. It has done something that even our great nation US of A hasn't done yet. Have a female head of state (their prime minister).

 

Islam actually discriminates on three or four different levels.

The first is against people of other faiths.
People of other faiths are called infidels in Islam.
-----Hindus in India
-----Buddhists in Thailand, Burma and China
-----Christians in the Middle East, Egypt and South Sudan and anywhere else there is a Muslim population greater than 20%.
-----Jews in all over the Middle East.

The second is against women.

The third is against gays and lesbians.

On another level, slavery is sanctioned in Islam so when Islam spread to Africa, slavery was very common. So the 4th level included the above three groups along with people that were economically poor and became slaves. John F Kennedy pushed really hard to end slavery in the Middle East. Slavery was legal in Saudi Arabia until 1962 until it was banned to pressure from the west. Iraq until 1969. In Yemen and Oman until 1970. The last country to officially end slavery was the West African country, Mauritania (99.1% Muslim) which officially ended slavery in 1981, although it is still practiced since it is not prosecuted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_slavery

I don't have time to pull the quotes from the Quran or the Hadith right now, but I can do if you question the validity of anything I have said.

 

Hey there, scholar of Islam. What university did you get your degree in? Oh, Google? Nice.

 

what would be creepy is if you had a child that ended up being muslim. or a daughter that married a muslim man.