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"Don't trade for Howard! Our draftees will be stars!"

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by MrJason, Jul 22, 2012.

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  1. MrJason

    MrJason Member

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    Last time, I looked at our <a href="http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?p=6902209">chances to move up on draft day.</a> It showed that moving up to a get a top pick on draft day rarely happens, which is one of the reasons why it didn't work for us.

    So what are our chances of having one of the draft picks in the last 3 years turning out to be a superstar or high quality player? Patterson, Morris, Montie, Lamb, Jones, and White were all drafted between ranges 12-20 in the draft. How have players in the past succeeded in the NBA after getting passed up by at least 11 other teams? Patterson was drafted in 2010 so I'm going to start at 2009.

    2009
    12. Gerald Henderson
    13. Tyler Hansbrough
    14. Earl Clark
    15. Austin Daye
    16. James Johnson
    17. Jrue Holiday
    18. Ty Lawson
    19. Jeff Teague
    20. Eric Maynor

    2008
    12 Jason Thompson
    13 Brandon Rush
    14 Anthony Randolph
    15 Robin Lopez
    16 Marreese Speights
    17 Roy Hibbert
    18 JaVale McGee
    19 J.J. Hickson
    20 Alexis Ajinca

    2007
    12 Thaddeus Young
    13 Julian Wright
    14 Al Thornton
    15 Rodney Stuckey
    16 Nick Young
    17 Sean Williams
    18 Marco Belinelli
    19 Javaris Crittenton
    20 Jason Smith

    2006
    12 Hilton Armstrong
    13 Thabo Sefolosha
    14 Ronnie Brewer
    15 Cedric Simmons
    16 Rodney Carney
    17 Shawne Williams
    18 Oleksiy Pecherov
    19 Quincy Douby
    20 Renaldo Balkman

    2005
    12 Yaroslav Korole
    13 Sean May
    14 Rashad McCants
    15 Antoine Wright
    16 Joey Graham
    17 Danny Granger
    18 Gerald Green
    19 Hakim Warrick
    20 Julius Hodge

    2004
    12 Robert Swift
    13 Sebastian Telfair
    14 Kris Humphries
    15 Al Jefferson
    16 Kirk Snyder
    17 Josh Smith
    18 J. R. Smith
    19 Dorell Wright
    20 Jameer Nelson

    2003
    12 Nick Collison
    13 Marcus Banks
    14 Luke Ridnour
    15 Reece Gaines
    16 Troy Bell
    17 Žarko Čabarkapa
    18 David West
    19 Sasha Pavlović
    20 Dahntay Jones

    2002
    12 Melvin Ely
    13 Marcus Haislip
    14 Fred Jones
    15 Boštjan Nachbar
    16 Jiri Welsch
    17 Juan Dixon
    18 Curtis Borchardt
    19 Ryan Humphrey
    20 Kareem Rush


    The BEST that have come out of these draft ranges have been Al Jefferson, Josh Smith, Danny Granger, Roy Hibbert, Jrue Holiday, and maybe Javale McGee. Put all of these players on the same team and you still won't have a championship.

    NONE of these guys in the last 10 years are superstars that can change the face of our franchise and be building blocks. How can anyone expect one of our draftees to be able to?

    Don't get me wrong, I love what these guys have done in the summer league but the chances of any of them turning this franchise around is slim to none. If the opportunity to trade for Howard or Bynum is there then you take and run.
     
    #1 MrJason, Jul 22, 2012
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  2. zcity

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    If I see one more don't trade for Howard thread . . .
     
    #2 zcity, Jul 22, 2012
  3. REEKO_HTOWN

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    Signed,

    The Chalotte Bobcats, Sacramento Kings, Golden State Warriors, etc., etc.
     
    #3 REEKO_HTOWN, Jul 22, 2012
  4. Francis3422

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    Margrave.
     
    #4 Francis3422, Jul 22, 2012
  5. Ashes

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    Just reiterating the obvious.
     
    #5 Ashes, Jul 22, 2012
  6. MrJason

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    Ahh. Nice to see that you desperately wanted to be first to post that you didn't even read the thread.
     
    #6 MrJason, Jul 22, 2012
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    ITT: Andrew Bynum is a franchise player
     
    #7 kaitanuva, Jul 22, 2012
  8. Sydeffect

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    Remember though this draft was one of the deepest drafts in a long time. You can't say how good the player will be just based on where he was drafted. Motie was a top 5 pick for a while prior to his draft, but fell because he couldn't rebound. White is a top 10 talent in this draft but fell due to off-court issues.

    12-20 draft pick doesn't mean they are just as good as the 12-20 in other drafts. (Not sure if that was worded correctly) Some drafts are very deep like this one and some drafts are just god awful like half those drafts you posted.

    Now I am not saying our draftees will be stars, but 1 or 2 of the rooks definitely have potential to be potential stars.
     
    #8 Sydeffect, Jul 22, 2012
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    Dwight doesn't want to be here, so the feeling should be mutual.
     
    #9 Raven, Jul 22, 2012
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    Draft picks in past years have absolutely no bearing on drafts succeeding them.

    Also, OP, you realize that we need a team to compete for a championship? We'll be gutting the team for Howard.

    It'll seriously be:

    Scrub 1
    Scrub 2
    Scrub 3
    Scrub 4
    Howard.

    Bench: Scrubs 5-12.

    And then, when Howard leaves Houston because we failed to make the playoffs as the Houston Magic, Scrub 5 can take his place at the C position, while we sign another scrub to sit on the bench.
     
    #10 Juxtaposed Jolt, Jul 22, 2012
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  11. zcity

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    Touche my good man . . .

    I admit i'm getting jaded but u have to admit your post had a lot of words :)
     
    #11 zcity, Jul 22, 2012
  12. MrJason

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    Howard won't leave Houston unless he wants to leave 25 mil on the table. He already showed his hand last summer that he is all about the money.

    Yes, Houston won't be good next year but superstars are hard to come by. You don't make a championship team in one year unless you are the Miami Heat. Morey has showed time and time again that he can trade and find good role players that can compliment a superstar. (Example - everyone on the current team) Every year he finds another "diamond in the rough" role player but the one thing he can't do if get a superstar.

    Getting the superstar is the hardest part, not filling the spots around him. If that superstar is Howard then Morey will build around him. Howard isn't going to leave in one year if traded here.
     
    #12 MrJason, Jul 22, 2012
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    Kobe Bryant was drafted at 13.
     
    #13 thething, Jul 22, 2012
  14. Arthurprescott2

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    THIS! This would be the worst scenario, though circumstances might have changed since we signed Asik and that limits cap space (less bad contracts we can take in). DM has shown the ability to balance between rebuilding/staying competitive. If it's just Howard and J.Rich, we shouldn't have to give up the farm.
     
    #14 Arthurprescott2, Jul 22, 2012
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    Especially next year with a group of seasoned vets (rookies).
     
    #15 coachbadlee, Jul 22, 2012
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    2012 was a deep draft!!!!!
     
    #16 coachbadlee, Jul 22, 2012
  17. MrJason

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    Yes, the perception of "2012 was a deep draft."

    Before the draft, when we were about to trade for Howard everyone says, "2012 draft is deep but they mean that it's deep with a ton of people that can end up being good role players. We don't need role players, we need a superstar so let's trade those picks for Howard! All aboard the bandwagon!"

    After the draft and summer league, when everyone starts to get attached to players and jump on the bandwagon. People say, "This draft was deep! Potential superstars everywhere! Did you see Player X and Player Y at summer league?! Sure fire superstars in 1-2 years for sure! Let's hope off the Howard bandwagon and jump on this one!"
     
    #17 MrJason, Jul 22, 2012
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  18. jtr

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    There is a chance (non-zero probability) of Howard signing and staying in Houston. Without the Rockets giving up their best prospects. Starting line up in 2014-2015:

    Lin
    Lamb
    Parsons
    D-Mo
    Howard

    Everyone else can take a flying leap off a bridge for all I care.
     
    #18 jtr, Jul 22, 2012
  19. Rodman23

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    "Why did you quote yourself?":confused: :)
     
    #19 Rodman23, Jul 22, 2012
  20. coachbadlee

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    I have always been against trading 3 lottery-esque picks for Howard. From day one. Even more so now.
     
    #20 coachbadlee, Jul 22, 2012
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