Dwight update: Not close to a trade with Rockets

Not to derail the thread, as if that is possible, why would go after Chris Paul with Jeremy Lin here?? You want to bring him in as the saviour, only to go after CP3 the next year and put him as a back-up? I think it's more likely we go after Josh Smith or another complementary player to Howard. If we strike out on a center, then we might make a move for CP3 but then what do you do with Lin?

 

Wait, I dont watch NASCAR either. Does he mean the Dwightmare is coming to a close?

 

Yes...

 

Thanks

 

Max package? I wonder what he means by that. I hope its not the deal EPSN erroneously reported.

 

I think he just means Morey is gonna come in and say, "All right now that stuff is settled, here is the best offer I can give you. I know it's better than anything else you're going to get, so take it or leave it."

 

CP3 will not leave LAC even if we have Dwight in place so this discussion is meaningless. We really need to fully commit a PG long term, not changing every year and Lin is the suitable choice.

IMO this team doesn't need Josh Smith. Only if we manage to sign Dwight or Bynum as a FA without giving up any youngsters (maybe giving up some picks in a sign and trade), this team is already going places. You gotta save some cap room to re-sign those young guns in the future.

Dwight/Bynum = Bynum
D Mo = Gasol
Parsons = Artest
Lamb = Kobe
Lin = Nash

White = Odom

This team can seriously mirrors the great LAL.

 

The Rockets might express interest in placing a tender for CP3 next season but he's almost a shoe-in to not be coming here.

Chris is actively recruiting FAs to the Clippers, he expressed desire to be in either LA or NY when he demanded a trade from NO and he has recently said that he enjoys being at the Clippers organisation and he intends to sign a 5 year extension with them.

 

TIL we have two future HoFers--Lin is the next Nash and Lamb is the next Kobe

Maybe we should reel it back a little?

 

He's saying it's either just started (pistol shot) or about to end (checkered flag).

 

Don't forget those guys are old while our guys are young. Having the potential of being the past the prime Kobe or Nash isn't bad.

 

Does Lin help or hurt us when it comes to Dwight.

There's the marketing aspect, which is a plus.

But will Dwight want to share the spotlight? Will he resent lin Does he respect Lins game/potential.

What agency represents Dwight? Is it same s melo? Does it matter?

On balance, I think it helps.

 

I think the single most important thing is that Lin has to play well and prove himself over a longer period of time. If he plays at a legit All-Star level going into the trade deadline and the whole team manage to win a healthy number of games, Dwight would be impressed.

 

Yao Ming, NBA China announce basketball & youth partnership
http://www.nba.com/2012/news/07/16/yaoming-nbachina-release/?ls=iref:nbahpt2

Lin and Howard together will be #1 in China where shoes sales will dwarf the US in a couple of years. Howard's shoe deal difference for Brooklyn will become negligible.

Once Dwight sees the Houston/Shanghai marketing potential close up, he will resign. Yao is going to continue to be a national hero, he is going to spend his time expanding basketball in China and he will always be associated with The Rockets.

 

This just makes me miss Yao even more. He's someone you can really be a fan of on and off the court.

 

We don't need Howard. When we play starting lineup like this:

PG White --> He can pass best on team
SF Parsons --> He is very nice team guy and high energy guy. Maybe can also come off bench
PF Montejunas --> Very skilled big guy. 1 year as PF practice and then 2014 he is very good
C Asik --> He can give us defense we need in paint and is not afraid of hard foul
SG Lin --> I think Lin is best scorer in Rockets right now and when we let him score in SG, he is more effective when not PG. Maybe we score over 100 game with this lineup

6th Man
Lamb --> Many say he is T-Mac and T-Mac also was 6th man in Toronto. Maybe we give him same steps then he becomes same player!

 

A series of very well-reasoned, thoughtful responses that I agree wholeheartedly with. "You must spread some reputation around before giving it to OremLK again."

 

I'd say whatever Rockets team I can put together with Dwight post trade could beat your Rockets lineup without Dwight.

but that's purely speculation.

Again, the trade is gonna hurt but Morey won't gut the future since there remains the possibility that Dwight might be an injured, half season rental. It just lowers his trade value for Orlando.

And I'll take August 24th in the 'Splash!' pool.

(32 more freaking days ... then it's football season, perfect)

 

Ok guys, this is for those among you who advocate a team filled with rookies and not much else, and who think that will turn us into OKC - all based off of 5 summer league games.

I, like many of you, actually WATCHED the SL games. But it seems clear that several of you did not SEE the games.

Many of you were dazzled (and rightly so) by our four rookies for various reasons: Lamb for his very mature and smooth offensive game, looking like a Yao-era TMac.. White showing he has an insane level of court awareness and passing skills.. Jones being basically a monster, able to blow by people, and muscle by them when necessary.. and Donuts looking like a 4-year NBA vet stretch 4, hitting shots, being sneaky around the basket like Scola was, in that he already comes with a plethora of moves around the hoop. Machado even, just in a few games, seemed to grow into the PG role visibly.

All of those reasons are good ones to feel excited about all of those players.

But something so many missed: the nature of SUMMER LEAGUE is primarily that of a group of barely-coached, marginal-level talent, some of whom will go on to have good NBA careers. The key phrase to pull from that is BARELY COACHED.

BARELY COACHED. Why does that matter?

Two reasons.

One, Offenses. Two, defenses.

Neither the offenses we played, nor the offenses we played AGAINST, were much more than extremely rudimentary basic sets, PNR's, and some back cuts mostly. Basic stuff. Both on our team as well as the other teams we played against.

And the offenses were LIGHT YEARS ahead of the defenses. Almost to the point of there being no defense played AT ALL, especially on our own team, but the same was true for the other teams as well.

And that means what?

One, our offensive capability was so overblown as to be almost completely irrelevant. Lots and lots of players have had great offensive showings in Summer League, only to vanish in the NBA. Now understand, THAT DOES NOT MEAN I AM SAYING OUR ROOKIES ARE NOT GOOD OR EVEN GREAT. It just means that both mediocre players AND good players can have really good offensive showings in SL. The thing to take from this is that a good showing in SL does not in any way guarantee similar good showings in the REAL league.

Two (and most important), defense. The Rockets' summer league team employed essentially the 'no defense' defense. Almost nothing at all. It's not because they are inherently bad defenders, or that they *can't* play defense - it's that they simply have not had the time and exposure to NBA defensive coaching. And remember, the offenses in SL were very basic, and even still our defense was like tissue paper. Against a real NBA offense, oh my God, it would be ugly.. really really ugly.

All I am saying here is, don't let yourself be hypnotized.

A Rockets team filled primarily with rookies would get SLAUGHTERED on a nightly basis in the NBA. It would be EXTREMELY lucky to win even ten games if that were the case.

Again, understand, I am in no way saying our rookies are not good, and potentially great. I am saying they are rookies, and that means something. It means they lack experience and training, and those things cannot come overnight. They looked pretty good, at least offensively, in the summer league. But it is going to take a lot of time and real intensive coaching to get these guys playing defense with skill and cohesiveness.

The ideal scenario for this team would be to be able to pick up either Howard or Bynum without having to give up the brightest of our young players (Parsons, Lamb & Motiejunas) in order to allow them to grow and learn without poisoning them with an avalanche of losing.

But please please temper your enthusiasm for a team comprised mostly of rookies. It would be.. bad.

 

This is mostly true. The problem is if you put 3 rookies out there with Lin and Asik, they're probably good enough to win about 35-40 games, just good enough to be somewhere in th 12-14 range in the draft again. And that doesn't help us any. We either gotta get really bad or we gotta make a big trade.

It's a foregone conclusion we aren't going to get really bad.

Lin/Machado
??? (Forbes or Parsons??)
Parsons(or Morris if Parsons is at the 2)
Dwight/Asik
???(Motie or White or Jones)


At this point, most of our conversation should be focused on how this team is going to be put together after Dwight is acquired. We should recognize that the odds of Lamb not being sent to Orlando are almost nil. He's not going to be here. And most likely at least one and possibly two of Motie/White/Jones isn't going to be here either.

Right now, based on Dwight being here......we need a big time shooter, a two-way player, a guy that can defend on the perimeter and can light it up from distance. Otherwise, with Dwight acquired we are looking at watching a lot of games with a lot of clunkers, game where the score is in the seventies and eighties. We're going to need to add a guy that can score big time and defend after the Dwight trade.