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Raymond Felton: "IM BETTER THAN JEREMY LIN"

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Bublanski, Jul 20, 2012.

  1. plutoblue11

    plutoblue11 Member

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    Rookify IMMEDIATELY...


    Championship in tougher era, debatable, but I'd like to actually see you defend it, though . . . with asinine reasons. For a good laugh.
     
  2. Sigmund

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    Yeah, but it would be not be destroyed by Orlando Magic.
     
  3. plutoblue11

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    Except the 93-95 Houston Rockets, and maybe some of those Chicago teams.
     
  4. JimRaynor55

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    Even the argument about how Felton did under D'Antoni's system (which no longer exists at the Knicks) doesn't work in his favor.

    Raymond Felton, NYK 2010-2011 (54 games):
    16.0 points, 3.4 rebounds, 8.5 assists, 1.7 steals, 3.1 turnovers per 36 minutes
    17.3 PER
    0.524 TS%
    -3.6 plus/minus

    This was a fluke year by the way. Felton's entire body of work over most of the past decade says that he's significantly worse than that.

    Jeremy Lin, NYK 2011-2012 (35 games):
    19.6 points, 4.1 rebounds, 8.3 assists, 2.1 steals, 4.8 turnovers per 36
    19.9 PER
    0.552 TS%
    +5.0 plus/minus
     
  5. justtxyank

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    So you are here to bash Lin and the Rockets.

    A poster joins a Rockets message board and attacks the Rockets and their players...is that a troll?
     
  6. mike_lu

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    You're also comparing someone in his 7th season with skills fully developed to someone that had effectively his first real NBA minutes and lots of improvement potential ahead.

    You're also comparing someone with the work ethic of - hey, it's the lockout, we may not play, so let's get fat, to someone that improved his lateral quickness by 30%, vertical by 3.5", revamped his shot, and added 20lb of muscle after his first NBA season with an offseason workout of 6am to 6pm most days.
     
  7. Sigmund

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    Mario Chalmers is not better than Lin? I guess you didn't watch when they played head to head.
     
  8. psingh34

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    felton is 28 basically meaning he has developed about as much as he is going to ... lin is 23 and doesnt even have a year of exp under his belt, meaning he has room to grow. So EVEN if you take the 50 game comparison, yes they are identical but given that they are identical wouldnt you take the younger player that may have more potential?

    plus you conveniently are leaving out the fact that felton played overweight all last year and still is looking that way ..I dont want a player like that on my team especially if I am expecting a down year where there will be low attendance, what are the chances that he doesnt revert to last years form in those conditions?

    Lin is also a bigger draw for other players than felton and the reason is bc lin gets on TV more so players playing with him are on tv more. Lin opens up the chinese market for players who play with him. How many scrubs got shoe deals in china when they played with yao? how many jerseys did a star like tmac sell as a result of yao... lin can do the same for players and if you couple that with the fact that rockets have cap space their chances of signing players increases
     
  9. Sigmund

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    I don't bash anyone. I just write the truth. It's hypocritical to say Knicks has done nothing in past 15 years while you can say same for Rockets.
     
  10. Shroopy2

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    Comparing their numbers in the D'Antoni system = almost useless. Where Chris Duhon and Toney Douglas looked good.

    Felton was actually darn solid his last (contract) year in Charlotte where they made the playoffs.

    You at least know what you're getting with Felton now. There still is a bit of bust potential with Lin. Though much more upside.
     
  11. Bublanski

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    yes they would have. utterly destroyed.
     
  12. psingh34

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    so based on ONE game you can decide what player is better? that is exactly how comparisons should be made .. heck why have 7 game series in the playoffs .. one game is enough to decide who is better
     
  13. mike_lu

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    1 bad game. Mario had about 35 of them playing alongside 3 guys that get double teamed plus 2 guys that initiate the team's offense for him without being the PG.

    Chalmers is a decent player. Good defender that flops a lot. He can't shoot well, can't go left or right well, and doesn't get a chance to make the turnovers because thd ball is out of his hands. Go back to our old discussion on Jeremy Lin vs Mario Chalmers and the stats there.
     
  14. professorjay

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    We've never seen a player call out another player's contract, much less a possible returning teammate. There's quite a few bad contracts signed this offseason, but I haven't heard any other players comment on them.

    We'll never know. But it's obvious Melo & JR have no respect for him as a fellow player. I'm inclined to agree w/ Chris Rock's take:

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Jeremy linn I've never seen grown men hate on another mans money like this in my life .</p>&mdash; Chris Rock (@chrisrock) <a href="https://twitter.com/chrisrock/status/225052794296610816" data-datetime="2012-07-17T02:22:22+00:00">July 17, 2012</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>If linn were a 23 old black kid who came straight from high school and had tat on his neck that said thug life and hap… <a href="http://t.co/2gMm6S0s" title="http://say.ly/ERB3MLj">say.ly/ERB3MLj</a></p>&mdash; Chris Rock (@chrisrock) <a href="https://twitter.com/chrisrock/status/225645087663730688" data-datetime="2012-07-18T17:35:55+00:00">July 18, 2012</a></blockquote>
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  15. Shroopy2

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    Says the guy who said the Bulls would still be a "dynasty" WITHOUT Michael Jordan.
     
  16. Ottomaton

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    The Knick fans had plenty of issues with Felton that had nothing to do with his weight when he left NY.

    I get the Lin haters are going to do their thing, which requires talking up Felton, but he seriously is no prize. Remember how excited Memphis was when we sent them Rafer? Presumably they were making a judgement just by looking at the stats, as well. Numbers don't tell you about the flow of the game, etc. Irrespective of Lin, Felton is no prize.

    And please stop quoting Sigmund, so those of us with him on ignore aren't forced to read his bitterness at Goran getting passed up. Dude is a typical provincial Yugo peasant. 500 years from now, his great great great grand children will still be whining about being done wrong by the Rockets and planing blood feud revenge on the state of Texas because the Rockets let Dragic leave. It's like the Hatfields and McCoys with an Eastern European accent - the closest thing Europe has to a backwoods hillbilly.
     
  17. psingh34

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    haha thats funny statistically his last year with charlotte (12.1 points 5.6 assists)was his 2nd worst year with them
     
  18. Ottomaton

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    double post
     
  19. Sigmund

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    I didn't realize Jeremy Lin is NBA champion...oh wait. He didn't even play a playoff game! Chalmers got different style, but he is clearly better than Lin.
     
  20. Rock3t Man

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    “I am a competitor, I am a point guard just like he is, so do I think I am better? Of course, I am going to say that,” Felton said. “I think I am better than any point guard. That's the way I am supposed to think. But at the same time it's nothing personal between me and Jeremy. But people are going to make it about that. I am fine with that.”

    He clearly said people were going to turn this personal, and everyone is feeding on it as if he was taking a jab at Jeremy Lin. Sit the f*** down people.
     

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