Dwight update: Not close to a trade with Rockets

Well first of all welcome. It's always nice having other fan's perspective on the matter.

Secondly the rook's are off-limits IMO. Specially Jeremy Lamb and Donatas Motiejunas. They are our insurance in case Dwight decides to bolt after the season. We will need our young rooks to rebuild.

As for holding out for the Toronto lottery pick, I was always under the impression that we got that pick just specifically to trade to Orlando. So hearing that it might not be on the table kind of surprised me.

Also something to consider is that - from listening to the Rocket's Owner recent statements - trading for Dwight isn't as crucial as it once was. To be fair we are in a great position to rebuild with our young talent and draft picks. Not to mention the signing's of Jeremy Lin and Omer Asik. So if your team's asking price is to high, we do have another route we can go.

 

No way we get Howard without giving up Lamb. Hate to burst your bubble.

 

Doubt both DMo and Lamb off limits. I expect Lamb and Toronto pick are the bulk of Rockets offer as well as picking up a couple of bad contracts.

 

Thanks for your post. I am one of those fans that doesn't want your dwightmare. But it's helpful to know what your GM has set the price at.

 

Agreed.

 

If the Rocket are pitching the Rental part of the deal to ORL...Lamb doesnt have to be included...if there are other sweetners...such as taking back bad contracts...Lamb being included is not a guarantee...he will be a really good player...

 

Now if the Rockets are adamant that bad contracts dont come back...I can see Dwight and JRich being the only pieces the Rockets take back for Lamb and Martin...plus picks...etc. etc etc.

 

Exactly.

Also Patterson, Parsons, White, and Jones are far from bad. Just offering one of those players still the deal is better than what Cleveland can offer.

 

we just have to give up a slightly better offer than cleveland.

Martin, potentially 2 first round picks (one lotter guaranteed), 1 asset, and taking back crap contract may be all it takes. Orlando will prob. not get 'fair' market value but its about actual demand right now.

I mean the Lakers got Gasol for mid-first rounders.

 

True, Morey can negotiate, but it is just simply very likely Lamb is gone for Howard. If Orlando wants him, they can use him as the dealbreaker. And whatever people think, Orlando will always have the leverage, because no matter what, its us wanting Howard, and we are truly the beggars.

 

It could possibly work without him. We would likely have to send out Parsons in his place though. TJones is likely to be moved as well.

I'd say Martin, Parsons, Jones, Raptor pick, Dallas pick, 2nd rd ers, other fillers for Dwight, Hedo, and Rich at the most. Can't see any other team beating that.

 

Are we there yet?

 

yea seriously...

 

I do think Lamb is most likely the big piece moving to Orlando along with Toronto's pick. But if he's included, the Rockets probably is not going to involve any other asset. Whereas if Orlando wants two young players, they may be able to get, say, Patterson and Parsons instead of Lamb.

With the trade of Lee, Lamb has a legit chance to be the Rockets starting SG to open the season. I'm sure Morey can work around Lamb if he throws in enough other stuff, like with all our extra 2nd round picks.

 

Why would you possibly think anything may happen before the Asik deal settles?

 

i do think dwight-to-the-rockets will happen, because hennigan controls the situation (not dwight), dwight is better the better option for us than bynum, the rockets have the best trade package by far, and three-team arrangements (at least those suggested) don't benefit either side more than a bilateral deal.

As for Dwight v. Bynum: 1) Dwight is hands down better than bynum on the court right now, and the age difference between them is not that great. bynum has a bit more room to grow as a player, but in my opinion, a worse medical profile. 2) I really think Dwight will cave and sign with use after he realizes he will be incredibly hated if he engages in a THIRD round of hogtieing his team. The prospect of Lin-enabled Asian marketing is overblown, but it provides plausible cover for caving. So we hold out for Dwight, resting on the strength of our offer. Not to mention the fact that we can give a lot away and still retain up to five (four more likely) good, cheap young players.

as for our offer, 1) the guaranteed lotto pick is huge for the magic, because any team that receives dwight is gonna instantly escape the lotto (at least for one year ); and 2) the rockets have promising young players coming out of their ears, while the magic's roster is totally, utterly bereft. Andrew Nicholson is the most promising player on that roster by a mile. think about that.

while the comparative weakness of the magic's roster doesn't necessarily benefit the rockets more than other teams, the abundance of good, cheap talent on the rockets roster creates a situation where many viable rockets-magic deals can be proposed. Just shuffle the rockets roster with the picks we own and the magic junk contracts and you'll come up with like ten different decent offers, all of which have different nuances of value. compare this with, say, the lakers, who have offered essentially the same deal (just bynum and late-1st round picks) for the duration of this saga dating back to last year. a potential deal with us will likely take a while to consummate, because there is so much to evaluate, but with this flexibility we can compete with any rival offer, slide into any three-team deal, and retain leverage to peel off or add value in response to changing events. in short, we can wait for the magic to blink.



Thoughts about the Lakers: 1) the poster above is so dead-on that the Magic will not want Bynum alone, even if he sure to sign an extension. 2) Dwight saying he'd sign with the Lakers actually benefits US, because it sends the value of the deal to the lakers through the roof, making Bynum alone look even worse to the magic. The lakers need more, but they don't have anything to give, and the rockets don't have anything to gain by making a lakers deal work. I mean this even IF you think a signed bynum is better than an unsigned dwight, because we can do the lakers deal with one quick, painless call at midseason, once we get a read on dwight.

 

The sad fact is that Hennigan is terrified of not getting anything of star quality back in return...but as mentioned before...Dwight is not easy to move...and the return for a superstar will always be less than ideal... and considering that the Rockets are the only ones with the best available deal...and for the other players needing a 3rd facilitator....its not far fetched to think that the Rockets are really holding all the card...and have time to kill.. ORL is trying to ship out this PR mess...but bringing in a new GM was hands down the least prudent thing to do...all you have done is leave someone else "crap" for someone else to clean up!...

 

I didn't.

Y SO SERIOUS!?!

Of course I knew the Lin and Asik situations had to be played out. Once those are declined/match, Houston can move forward with Dwight/Bynum or whatever they want.

This has dragged on long enough, that's all. So we wait and keep waiting a little while longer.

 

Nothing will happen till Asik is signed and delivered (Most likely Monday..offer sheet might go out tonight or Tom AM)

 

then we dont want him