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Article: Give Morey credit -- he’s trying to fix past mistakes when many GMs wouldn’t

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ballclub, Jul 17, 2012.

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  1. cardpire

    cardpire Member

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    stopped reading right about hear. i do need to learn to read gooder though, i'll give you that. that way, maybe i can become a politician?
     
  2. bloop

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    why are you even arguing this? who in the world makes a mistake knowing it's a mistake?

    that's your argument. you are arguing:

    1) it's not a mistake if you don't KNOW at the time it's a mistake

    or

    2) it's not a mistake if everyone else makes the same mistake

    or

    3) if it's a reasonable mistake it's not a mistake.

    it's mistake. embrace it. love it. move on.

    the entire article is saying that Morey knows cutting Lin was a mistake and unlike other GMs has moved to rectify that mistake

    Morey is quoted on twitter as saying "We should have kept Jeremy Lin." your anal retentive need to have Morey say literally say the exact words "I Daryl Morey am with this offer sheet purposefully and willfully rectifying an admitted past mistake on my part" is really beyond the scope of this 1 thread to address.
     
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  3. Yonkers

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    Burn! And spot on.
     
  4. cardpire

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    no, that's not what i'm saying. that's what morey was saying/implying. he wass minimizing the possibility/perception that he made a mistake by saying "uh, nobody knew he was good, and you're lying if you say otherwise". he's unable to admit it was his own explicit mistake. his hubris gets in the way.
     
  5. RiceRockets

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    No it wasn't him just being too proud to admit it. Nobody took a chance on Lin because they couldn't see his talent in the conventional way. To think that GSW and HOU just purposely forgot the guy because of what?? Wanted their teams to be worse off?? The fact that it took NY to be without a PG and HAVE to play him to see what Lin was all about means he's just telling it how it is.
     
  6. cardpire

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    that's fine, and i don't necessarily disagree with any of that. but now we are in the territory of it simply not being a mistake in the first place.
     
  7. jtr

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    Dude - it is a constraints issue. Les has eased the restrictions on Morey. This behavior was always just below the surface. More power to him.
     
  8. Dreamshake1

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    Give Morey credit for what? With the expectations going into the draft and the best we get is Jeremy Lin. The guy is a HUGE risk and coming off injury. Still no upgrade over Lowry or Dragic
     
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    well... Klow was makin approx 6M for next 2 years.... we're payin Lin approx 8M for next 2 years.... so if Lin performs equal To Klow we bought the Toronto pick for 2M/yr x2 years...not a bad price - realizing thats a big 'if' on Lin performing equal to Klow...
     
  10. Dreamshake1

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    Just keep in mind Lowry played both ends of the floor ands a better decision maker than Lin. Not sure signing Lin was that smart of a move
     
  11. bloop

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    now I gotta talk to this guy.

    It's not a HUGE risk.

    http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/11/jeremy-lin-is-no-fluke/

    Math and Science states that there's a 93 percent chance that Lin is going to be at minimum a serviceable starter at PG position and a 7% chance he will be a bust.

    regression to the mean is a real phenomena but even with a hostile coach and star teammate Lin was an above average guard for the Knicks at the tail end of last year.

    Concerning his injury. Today, the recovery rate for professional athletes coming off Lin's injury is nearly 100%.

    in short. not a HUGE risk. not even a medium risk. low risk

    now whether Lin's ceiling this year or at the end of year 3 is above or below Lowry and Dragic, that's an open debate. but like the kid who can't distinguish what "mistake" means you hurt your case when you say nonsensical things.

    again it's not a huge risk, it's a small risk. and a risk that is mitigated by Morey both in salary cap structure and the expiring in year 3
     
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    love when people get spun in circles and don't even know what they are arguing anymore. fascinating phenomenon.
     
  13. ballclub

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    Hi bloop, don't listen to cardpire. He's been exposed on this thread, and when people like yourself call him on it using sound logic he can't understand, he can't take it and has to attack with short, holier-than-thou statements that make him think he's smarter than everyone else when we all know he's a lost cause to facts, stats, and logic.
     
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    Well we have a hater here :rolleyes: Maybe a butt hurt Knicks fan sad that his org got clowned by small market Houston?

    I give immense credit to DM for having the balls to gamble that they could get Lin, I personally wouldn't have gambled on that and let both Dragic and Klow go. Dreamshake1 and this clown can keep sticking to their talking points but at the end of the the day:

    8M Lin+Toronto lottery pick > 9M Dragic or 6M Klow

    Also, this article was talking about how DM makes mistakes but learns from it, we've seen this in how he signed Ariza then managed to flip him for the better player in Courtney Lee. Who cares if he does a mea culpa on twitter or not? The important thing is what he does, not what he says.
     
  15. cardpire

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    not at all. i'm in favor of the lin signing.

    just think it's a terrible and useless article, giving morey undue credit for admitting to and atoning for mistakes.
     
  16. ballclub

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    Just about as useless as your analysis...
    It figures that now you're in favor of the Lin signing. Earlier you said it was a "bloated contract." But in your world, given your definition of what a "mistake" is, a "bloated contract" means "smart contract." Please.

    In reality, that article pointed out something that many GMs and owners haven't done in the past, and gives some credit to Morey when some have been bashing him like a pinata. If you had something insightful to contribute (beyond trying to redefine what a "mistake" is), you would have taken the time to point out how it's not unusual, giving lots of examples of other GMs who have done the same. Instead, you chose to attack and throw stones, not lifting a finger to contribute anything useful, and wasting everyone's time.
     

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