Thats what I figured just thought maybe someone had speculated on it. I am assuming Asik gets matched and we have to take on 2 bad contracts from the Magic. If we have any shot at keeping Dwight we need to be able to offer another max deal to someone besides him. I would give Paul the first call but I dont think he walks away from 30 million when he is already in a big market with a superstar partner (Griffin). Josh Smith would be interesting or Al Jefferson - both unrestricted - but I just think Howard will want another max-type player here with him to resign. I doubt J. Lin by himself does the trick.
Carl, quick salary cap question. When a player like DMo signs a contract a year after they were drafted, does their rookie scale fall for the year they were drafted or for the year they were signed?
I think it makes it problematic for sure. My guess is some of these bloated contracts we take on are waived meaning a smaller cap hold for these guys. It also might mean trading someone away in order to make room similar to what we did this year. In other words, let next year take care of itself then. Having max room next year is meaningless unless we get Dwight this year. If we do so, I have faith Morey in a year's time will do what it takes. In Morey we trust. (We don't have any other choice do we?)
i love having guys like Carl and BimaThug who are just experts on the cap and all of its rules. its what makes this board as good as it is. shoutout to those guys
Yes DMo is signed, I just wanted to know if his rookie salary scale salary was based on last years scale when he was drafted or this years rookie scale when he signed. BTW- I want to thank Carl and Bima for sharing their knowledge of the salary cap.
First, you don't seem to understand that LA's not just an option even if we decided to sign and trade. Teams that are in the lux tax cannot receive players in sign and trades starting next year. Secondly, the only scenario where I can see us sign and trading is if he goes utterly berserk upon being traded to us and quit instantly, and I don't see that happening for a minute. There is no way we'll sign and trade him during the season. It makes no sense. Thirdly, your proposition of signing Howard after tanking makes no sense. The point of tanking, after all, is that theoretically you will get a dude like Howard. That is just sentimental junk in every form and definition. There's two parts to it, so let's just get started. First, everything you've said about Howard, you could have said about Shaq. Or Garnett with the Wolves. Howard has had crap around him his entire career. Otis Smith was a GM who at times would have made Isiah blush. He's never had a good team, but he's propelled year after year to the playoffs and beyond, and he is a top 3 player in this league at worst, and I do think he is already a top 50 player ever. You can absolutely build a championship team around Dwight Howard, and the idea that a Howard+Chris Paul tandem would not get you into the finals is to me a complete WTF concept. Will we get the chance to build around Howard long-term? I don't know. But with Morey, I think we can. Second, your tanking stuff. That special connection is just laughable. Did the special connection which Kobe received by getting drafted by the Lakers save them when he wanted out? No. The Lakers made smart trades and good moves. That's how they kept Kobe around, not through some special connection. Heck, we're discussing a player who should have had a special connection with the Magic by your logic, but it's clearly not there. Or where was the special connection between Melo and the Nuggets? Heck, where was the special connection between Hakeem and the Rockets when he talked about wanting out during the early 90s? You don't make championship teams through special connection, you do it by getting the best players you can get. And Howard's good. He is likely better than anyone in the next draft, or the draft after that. In all of the drafts since which has had Howard, there has been a grand total of one player who is in Howard's tier. Sweet Lou, if you want the Rockets to sit around with a top 5 pick year after year, not doing anything but praying that the lotto god will fall on way and maybe THIS time the ball bounces our way, that's fine with you. That's not an approach I like. At all. And that's just not a sensible approach.
Fact is every champion in the last 30 years except one was built in the lottery. So to say it's not sensible is well, not sensible. Better to tank, get an all-star type player, have loads of cap room, and then sign big name players. You add to your existing core, don't sign from nothing. It doesn't work. Orlando tried it and failed miserably with T-mac and Grant Hill. New York has tried it and failed miserably multiple times. It hasn't worked in the modern era. That's the facts. Dispute them if you want, but that is the hard cold history we are dealing with.
well it also depends on what contracts we receive from the Magic. In the justtx FAQ thread we identified Big Baby and J Rich as two players who qualify for the stretch provision, meaning their salaries can be waived then stretched over twice the remaining life of the contract plus an additional year. both have 3 years remaining, all under $6.6MM per. so if cut, the average cap hit over 7 years would be: Big Baby: $2,771,429 J Rich: $2,657,857 That is extremely manageable if you are looking to make a move for a second max player
Boy I hope that's right. If this Lin deal still allows us to offer two max contracts next summer (Howard + one) then this Lin deal is genius. If not....EPIC FAIL. To me there is also no grey area. I guess unless Lin turns out to be the second coming of S. Nash then a second max contract would not be necessary because Lin would be it. I am assuming he plays to an average to above average level and thus to keep Howard we will need to entice him by bringing in that second max deal.
One more thought. I know this is foward thinking but if Morey really has dreams of a Howard and Chris Paul tandem then I think he knows C. Paul will need to be a S&T deal. I would expect Clippers will want another marketable PG in return (on top of other assets) and what better chip to offer then the Asian Sensation.....just a thought.
you are twisting the facts pretty horribly... LA Lakers dynasty from 99-02 signed Shaq in FA. Hell even Kobe was technically traded for. Detroit Pistons signed Hamilton and Billups after they were both respectively flops and then had to land a malcontent Rasheed Wallace to get over the hump. Both Miami Heat championships required outside help (Shaq; Lebron, Bosh) and you want to count Dallas? they have played musical chairs with players around Dirk since Cuban has been the owner. the Lakers of the 80's had me in diapers but even I know who Lew Alcindor is... don't try to define the Championship Model. Success breeds success...
As every trained historian can tell you, citing historical facts without bothering to explain why the historical facts ended up in such a fashion is a pathetic and worthless form of analysis. I have my own theories and conclusions, but I'd like to begin by simply asking you a hypothetical question. Let us suppose that Miami did not have Dwyane Wade, and that he instead played for let's say the Bucks. However, Miami succeeds in 2010 in establishing cap room for three max free agents. Do you think the big three in Miami happens?
I wonder if Chris Paul is the end game for Morey after Dwight comes to Houston. Why break the bank for Lin only to swap him out after one year?
HMMMHMM, I think your spreadsheet isn't working properly. I entered each of the 16 player salaries in the top part of your spreadsheet (it was bugging me how far off our numbers were from each other), and I got "$38,981,766". You may want to check what the function for your "sum cell" is. Also: --The Lin cap figure is closer to $8,374,646. --Royce (not Joyce) White's cap hold is actually $1,371,200. --Technically, Motiejunas's salary is ON the roster. He no longer has a "cap hold" like the other (unsigned) first rounders. --Generally speaking, it's easier to list the cap holds with the rest of the salary. Less confusing that way. --Personally, I'm not taking Dragic's cap hold off the books until he officially signs with Phoenix. I'm not completely foreclosing the option that the Rockets work out a sign-and-trade of Goran (after their cap space is exhausted) in order to generate a $7-8M trade exception, offering Phoenix a second rounder for their troubles. Based on my figures, I get the following numbers (which may not be precisely accurate): --Rockets' CURRENT cap room (with Lin offer sheet outstanding and with Dragic and Lee cap holds on the books): $3,832,721. --Rockets' cap room once all first rounders are signed (assuming 120% scale for each): $2,974,281. --Rockets' cap room available to make Asik offer ($8,374,646 cap figure in first year) if Lin offer sheet not matched, Dragic's rights renounced and one minimum non-guaranteed player waived (but no other first rounders signed): $8,600,116.
That's just how it works in the CBA. He is still a hold on the Rockets cap till he officially signs with the Suns.
