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NY Post: Knicks unhappy with Rockets, Lin Offer

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Carl Herrera, Jul 14, 2012.

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Sigmund said: ↑

Typical brainwashed ESPN NBA fan without any basketball knowleadge.
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stop putting yourself down man, you can't help it. :grin:

#421 anthony59237, Jul 15, 2012

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They will match, they still have the whole of next year (after July 2013) to trade him if he doesn't play well or his contract becomes too expensive.

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Not sure about the last part. I've always assumed NBA players look at Lin similar to the way NFL players look at Tebow.
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I got several words for you: Peak/Anta/Lin-Ning shoe contract

#423 roslolian, Jul 15, 2012
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They will match, they still have the whole of next year (after July 2013) to trade him if he doesn't play well or his contract becomes too expensive.
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The whole point of signing him to the contract is to make him too toxic to trade. Which team will absorb a 15M cap hit on year? Even better, which team will accept that 15M cap hit knowing they would be turning down an awful lot of luxury tax money courtesy of the NYC?

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roslolian said: ↑

The whole point of signing him to the contract is to make him too toxic to trade. Which team will absorb a 15M cap hit on year? Even better, which team will accept that 15M cap hit knowing they would be turning down an awful lot of luxury tax money courtesy of the NYC?
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Maybe Morey is saving NY GM Grunwald from a lot of pain by taking Lin off his hands with the higher bid that he can not match. Hmmm strange as it sounds ... maybe DM just did the dude a huge favor and saved his ass?

But still it was fun to watch go down.. winner winner Daryl Morey chicken dinner!.... hahahaha

And Lin is a good point guard for us to have.. plus he is a stand up guy that is smart as heck. Talks better than shane battier.

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If the Rockets try to trade him in 3 years, is the cap hit to the acquiring team $15 or $8?

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Great, screw the Knicks

#427 Akim523, Jul 15, 2012

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Great, screw the Knicks
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I don't think they'll be mad when they land Chris Paul next summer and Lin turns out to be what he is, backup PG.

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roslolian said: ↑

The whole point of signing him to the contract is to make him too toxic to trade. Which team will absorb a 15M cap hit on year? Even better, which team will accept that 15M cap hit knowing they would be turning down an awful lot of luxury tax money courtesy of the NYC?
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Hmmm 15mil expiring is definitely tradeable if Lin doesnt pan out. At the same time during Linsanity MSG's stock value has gained around 150mil to 200mil according to nypost, I guess the 42.5mil possible luxury tax isnt that bad after all.

Glad the Knicks isn't gonna match.

#429 Akim523, Jul 15, 2012
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I don't think they'll be mad when they land Chris Paul next summer and Lin turns out to be what he is, backup PG.
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They will be mad when their stock price dropped from 33.18 to 29.32.

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The Lin bashing is ridiculous. He had a higher PER than both Lowry and Dragic. Dragic only played a handful more games than him as a starter and produced less. You don't average 27 ppg in your first week of starting and NOT be a good player. Look at the company he's with: Iverson, Shaq, MJ... To not acknowledge him as at least a good starter is just straight hating.
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I'll leave this here...

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/11/jeremy-lin-is-no-fluke/

Jeremy Lin Is No Fluke
By NATE SILVER

Even an average N.B.A. player can have a great game. Within the past two seasons, players including Jordan Crawford, Hedo Turkoglu and Goran Dragic have recorded a triple-double. The Milwaukee Bucks’ Brandon Jennings scored 55 points in a game in 2009, nearly quadrupling the 15 points per game he scored on average that season.

But what about four great games in a row — especially when they coincide with your first three N.B.A. starts?

The New York Knicks’ Jeremy Lin has scored at least 23 points in each of his last four games, including 38 on Friday night against the Lakers. He has also recorded at least seven assists in each game, and he has been efficient, shooting at least 53 percent from the field each time.

Just how common is something like this? I searched basketball-reference.com for other streaks that were in the same general ballpark: players who scored at least 20 points, had at least six assists and shot 50 percent over a period of four consecutive N.B.A. regular season games.

Since the 1985-86 season, 41 players have had such a streak in addition to Lin.

It is an extremely impressive list. All but seven of the players made at least one All-Star appearance in their careers, with about two-thirds of them selected to the All-Star team multiple times. The list includes nine Hall of Famers — and a number of other players who are sure to make it once they retire. The players on the list account for 17 of the last 28 M.V.P. awards.
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see article for chart...

The first tier consists of 11 players that I call “All-Time Greats.” These are players who were either among the 50 Greatest Players in N.B.A. History, when the league announced that list in 1996, or who have won an M.V.P. award since then. It contains pretty much who you’d think — Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson. It also includes Steve Nash, a player to whom some are comparing Lin.

The next tier consists of four “Franchise Players.” This includes players like Gary Payton, the former Seattle Supersonics point guard, who fall just short of immortality (or are too young to have achieved it yet), but who were probably good enough to lead a team to a championship.

In the third tier are the “All-Stars” — players who made the All-Star team about half the time during the peak of their careers, and who could win a championship if paired with a player of similar aptitude and a strong supporting cast. Two of these players, Chris Mullin and Joe Dumars, made the Hall of Fame, but most, like former Phoenix Suns point guard Kevin Johnson, fell just short of it.

Next up is the “Above Average” group — guys who had good overall careers and who might have made an All-Star team in their best season or two. Mark Jackson, the former Knicks point guard, is typical of this group.

Only 9 of the 41 players fall below this tier. Six of them, like the former Knick Steve Francis, fall into a group of average players.

Just three of them, meanwhile — Pooh Richardson, Jay Humphries and Lionel Simmons — were mediocre N.B.A. players even at their peak.

In other words, while it is possible that Lin will turn out to be the next Pooh Richardson, the odds are in favor of a more impressive outcome.

Basketball is much less luck-driven than a sport like baseball, especially for a point guard, who handles so many of the team’s possessions. A league-average point guard might be able to muster one streak like Lin’s over the course of his career. But it is more the hallmark of a player with at least borderline All-Star talent, if not more than that.

There are, however, two other factors pertinent to Jeremy Lin, one of which speaks favorably for him and the other less so.

The unfavorable factor is that absolutely nobody saw this coming. Lin was cut during the pre-season by the Golden State Warriors, and then again by the Houston Rockets, one of the more statistically savvy teams in the league. Lin had been undrafted out of college — that college was Harvard, by the way, where Lin had a G.P.A. of 3.1 and majored in economics.

While it must be acknowledged that talent evaluation is an imperfect science in sports — and that there may be some bias against an Asian-American from Harvard who does not fit the mold of a typical N.B.A. point guard — that is nevertheless a reason to expect some reversion to the mean. That doesn’t mean Lin is going to be the next Lionel Simmons, but it would weigh against a prediction that he will turn into a superstar.

On the other hand, these past four games aren’t just any four, picked out at random from a long career. They represent the first four times that Lin had ever played more than 24 minutes in an N.B.A. game and his first three career starts. In fact, the 89 points Lin scored in his first three starts is the most by an N.B.A. player since the league merged with the A.B.A. in 1976.

And Lin has scored his points in impressive fashion, slashing and driving to the basket and creating easy shots for himself. Were he just a streak shooter who had knocked down a bunch of 3-pointers, perhaps there would be more reason to be skeptical.

Lin has also received the endorsement of one of the players on the All-Time Greats list, Magic Johnson, who compared him to two of the others, John Stockton and Steve Nash, on ESPN’s telecast last night.

So perhaps the list of 41 players above is a roughly appropriate guide to Lin’s possible futures. That would imply that there was about a one-in-four chance that Lin really was going to be a superstar, and about a one-in-four chance that he was an average (or worse) player on an incredible hot streak. That would leave a 50 percent chance that he was somewhere in the middle — a clearly above-average player who would make several All-Star teams in his career.

It’s also worth watching to see whether Lin can extend the streak tonight against Minnesota. Only 17 of the 41 players had streaks that lasted for longer than four games, with many of the more marginal players dropping off the list.

And only five players had such a streak that lasted for six games or longer. Four of them are Michael Jordan, Charles Barkley, Isiah Thomas and Dwyane Wade. The other was less illustrious: Lafayette “Fat” Lever.
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I don't think they'll be mad when they land Chris Paul next summer and Lin turns out to be what he is, backup PG.
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The Knicks can only sign CP3 if they get some relief on their salary cap.

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They will be mad when their stock price dropped from 33.18 to 29.32.
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Honestly, when I think about that.....I think Knicks will match regardless.

I'd rather have Lin that Machedo.

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The Post reported on its back page Saturday the Knicks were furious the Rockets changed the offer sheet for Lin and upgraded it to a $25 million guarantee over three years, according to a source. The Knicks were bitter because they told Lin immediately the club would match the original offer and Lin apparently shared the information with the Rockets. Lin and Houston then plotted to redo it.

Lin secretly flew into Las Vegas without informing the Knicks to renegotiate the contract and sign it.

The Knicks had been set to match Lin’s original offer sheet of four years, $28.9 million that had a $19 million guarantee before the Rockets threw a financial curveball that called for a $15 million third year that would have doomed owner James Dolan’s luxury-tax predicament.

m.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/source_knicks_won_match_lin_offer_IaFOfENCk85407zzt3ynxK#ixzz20gUbCNsA

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The Post reported on its back page Saturday the Knicks were furious the Rockets changed the offer sheet for Lin and upgraded it to a $25 million guarantee over three years, according to a source. The Knicks were bitter because they told Lin immediately the club would match the original offer and Lin apparently shared the information with the Rockets. Lin and Houston then plotted to redo it.

Lin secretly flew into Las Vegas without informing the Knicks to renegotiate the contract and sign it.

The Knicks had been set to match Lin’s original offer sheet of four years, $28.9 million that had a $19 million guarantee before the Rockets threw a financial curveball that called for a $15 million third year that would have doomed owner James Dolan’s luxury-tax predicament.

m.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/source_knicks_won_match_lin_offer_IaFOfENCk85407zzt3ynxK#ixzz20gUbCNsA
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Nice one, **** the Knicks

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The ghost of Carlos Boozer

#436 hooroo, Jul 15, 2012
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I don't think they'll be mad when they land Chris Paul next summer and Lin turns out to be what he is, backup PG.
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So your a knicks fan?

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They will be mad when their stock price dropped from 33.18 to 29.32.
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I don't think the Knicks cares about it, they are a non-leveraged company.

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And further more
A pre draft write up for Jeremy Lin by a BBall blog - seems he was right, he won't be a fluke

http://hoopsanalyst.com/blog/?p=487

“…he’s the one player I probably differ on with the rest of the draft pundits.”

“After John Wall there are no sure things. Jeremy Lin might be the #2 PG available in this draft. He looks to me like a sleeper in the mold of George Hill. He appears to have the skills to become at least a usable combo guard. If he can get the passing thing down and handle the point, Jeremy Lin is a good enough player to start in the NBA and possibly star.”

“A year after the legendary PG draft of 2009, the pickings for playmakers are going to be thin. That doesn’t mean there won’t be a player or two who surprise the experts though.The best candidate to pull off such a surprise might be Harvard’s Jeremy Lin.”

“Lin made his mark in the preseason when he averaged 23.3 PPG while shooting 63% in a 3-game stretch against UConn, BC and Georgetown. Typically players from small colleges see their numbers dip, sometimes drastically, when stepping up in competition. That Lin was able to not only be competitive, but excel in these situations is impressive.”
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I don't think the Knicks cares about it, they are a non-leveraged company.
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Oh trust me, Jim Dolan cares.

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