[ClutchFans] Rockets trade Lowry, stay focused on Howard

Has anyone thought about this so called "lottery" pick we are supposed to be getting?

Toronto just improved all their weaknesses this season. They got Lowry and Fields which will surely improve their defense and give their back court some much needed punch, plus they are not rookies. They also got Terrance Ross and Jonas V.

Atlanta and Orlando look shaky while Nets look prime to enter top 8. I think 8th spot will come down to fight between Bucks and Raptors with Cavs following behind closely.

Its most likely going to be pick in the teens.

 

Thanks Bima, much needed voice of reason.

 

Dude what is wrong with you? Why don't you read up on all topics before you go posting totally wrong BS?

The toronto pick is guaranteed lottery pick because it is lottery protected. Unless Toronto doesn't go into lottery until 2099 or whatever the term ends and we get two 2nd rounders, we will get a lottery pick out of it.

 

Informative but your actually thinking that DH would want to stick around and wait while Houston rebuilds. Yes the Rockets are not trading everyone on the team to Orlando because they already traded everyone to everyone else! You mention that DH would leave $30m on the table, but it seems like the new trend these days is to team up with other top tier players, take less money, and try to win a championship. I agree about trading for a top 5 player in rhe league but suggest someone is weak and has a loser's mentality because he has concerns about an already injured player who does not want to play for this organization as well as many other top tier players who could walk away in a year and considering all the effort put into getting him here and past years of stockpiling draft picks and players is pretty irrational bro. Not that you personally are just your line of thinking. Renting DH for a year and taking on bad contracts while risking injury that could limit our rental time is reason enough to be concerned.

 

Voice of reason? Really? What was sooo reasonable about talking down to someone who questions somethings that have reason of concern? There are some intellectual people on these posts but sometimes that comes with a ego that everyone else who questions Morey or them personally is a stupid idiot. Everything should be debateable lets all show some class.

 

good one

 

Not THAT much less money. To date, no superstars have opted for destination over money. They all got both.

Lebron and Bosh you could argue lost 300k per year compared to what they could have gotten if they had stayed with their teams. Accounting for the proportional decrease in annual raises they were getting, you can't be looking at more than 1.5 million sacrificed over the life of their contracts (anyone feel free to correct me on this, but the point stands--they lost pennies compared to what they are making).

The only NBA superstar that I can recall taking a SIGNIFICANT paycut in order to play for a contender was Barkley that one year he played for league minimum for us so we could accommodate that ******* Pippen. And even Barkley to this day regrets that decision and lets the world know how pissed he is at Les for reneging on their under the table deal.

 

McDyess left the Suns who offered a 7yr max contract to sign with the Nuggets on a 6yr deal.

 

While I really havent done an in depth cap analysis, I feel its more and more likely that Martin is not included in any Howard deal.

I think the Scola amnesty makes it possible to absorb Howards salary + a smaller bad contract like Richardson (probably not Turk) without having to send out Martin. Otherwise, the Scola amnesty doesn't make much sense.

At that point I think you resign Lee for about 6 million (something slightly above MLE) and then trade Martin + another assets for a rotation piece at the 1,3 or 4 depending on what roleplayers are left on the roster.

Rondo, Gasol, Nene, Iggy, Smith, Jefferson, Milsap are all players that come to mind.

 

If we're to take on one of Orlando's bad contracts in addition to Howards, we'll need to include Martin to make the salaries match.

 

Teams under the cap can absorb players, they don't need to match salaries.

This is how trade exceptions are created.

 

There is nothing wrong with questioning Morey. Actually you probably should question the GM/orginization from time to time, but listen to those who actually know what they're talking about. Bima may not always be right, (it's rare he isn't) but if he isn't, at least he has facts that can more times than not, back what he's saying. Voice of reason because he doesn't subscribe to the sky is falling bit.

Gather as much info as you can before forming your conclusion. I'm sure Bima wasn't trying to talk down to you, it just gets old when he clearly lays out facts and possible scenarios only to have them constantly poo'd on.

Relax, enjoy this ride as much as you can. If the sky falls after this deal does or doesn't happen, then start crying.

 

My gut tells me that the tail is now wagging the dog. The "deal" is now driving Morey rather than the other way around.

Just like gambling, once you cross over a threshold of betting and seeing and raising, you're all in. This is as much about Morey's reputation (his perceived, as well as fan's perception of it) as anything. He is aware that many fans think he's failed to get that "big splash" he has referred to in the past.

The other driving force here is Alexander's age and tenure. This isn't about "rebuilding" in the classic sense. This is still about getting to a championship roster in the least number of moves.

I inadvertently got to watch the first summer league game last night very late -- had forgotten it was on, live, at 6pm. It was only one game, but Montiejunas seems more mature than Dwight Howard, already. DH knows where he wants to end up and it isn't in Houston. Montiejunas is focused on playing hard and improving. He's happy to be with the Rockets.

I miss players like Joe Dumars, who understood hard work and loyalty -- hallmarks of maturity. The crop of "me first" players, like Steve Francis, and currently (you can fill in the blanks) who think they can trump fate with sheer will, whining, holding their breath, and pouting until they get their way, dare to compare themselves with players from the Bird/Magic era? (See Kobe's comments about the current Olympic team vs. the "Dream Team," and the responses elicited from the likes of Magic and MJ.)

Those guys didn't conspire to be on some roster together to load the dice in their favor to win a championship. They took the hand/team/roster dealt them and used their talent to make those around them better.

Then there was a telling comment by McHale during the game last night. He said it was all "so crazy" and he told management, "Just tell me who's on my roster and I'll go out and coach them." Does that sound like he has much say in what's going on?

I'm not on the DH bandwagon. But as I said, Morey and Co. have put too much in the pot (or is that taken away?) -- and it's in the media, now, like a Britney Spears type headline -- to not try to get a deal done.

From what I can tell (and it is minimal, surely) I like the guys we drafted this last draft. And I like the kid, Scott Machado. He could end up being another "Lin" that the Rockets will let go only to see him shine somewhere else. In this particular "deal" they are more valuable as players, in my thinking, than as "assets." I really wouldn't want to give any of them up for Howard. He may have talent, but he is too immature. He doesn't seem like a McHale type of player. He's after more than the Rockets can ever offer him.

It really is a lot like gambling. "Just one more stake... I swear, my luck is gonna change... Come on Frankie...it's gonna happen... it'll be like old times..."

 

I was referring to Bima's comments towards obamafan if you would actually read other posts or gather info before making a comment. Bima always states reliable facts he justs doesn't need to bash people for posting ligitamate concerns. Not bashing you either but isn't this scenario familiar this time every year? Everyone believes they are thinking big picture here but this has been years in the making. Stockpiling draft picks, young talent by trades including fan favs. for this opportunity. There is a high risk in this if DH leaves and doesn't buy into what Morey is selling like alot of people here at clutch city. I would like to see something pan out from all this effort that took years to happen, if not then its wait till next year and the next big name and in Morey we trust no matter what. Glass half full is a good way to look at things but hard to do when it takes this long. Hats off to morey for effort.

 

I agree totally! Good example of how it really seems like.

 

Question...

If the salaries for the rookies is determined by the Rookie wage scale, and everyone knows that the rookies will get paid 120% of the rookie wage scale, and the signings are a formality, why does it take so long to get the rookie contracts signed/formalized?

 

Strong rumours that Rockets will miss out again, with Howard going to Lakers, Bynum going to Clevland...
Of course it is Alex Kennedy from Bleacher Report.

 

http://content.usatoday.com/communi...l-that-would-send-howard-to-la/1#.UAJFWWthiK0

By Alex Kennedy, Hoopsworld.com

The Los Angeles Lakers, Orlando Magic and Cleveland Cavaliers have discussed a

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three-team deal that would send disgruntled superstar Dwight Howard to Los Angeles, according to people close to the situation. The three teams have discussed a number of scenarios. While no trade is imminent, the talks are ongoing.

One scenario would send Howard to Los Angeles, Andrew Bynum to Cleveland and a package of picks and prospects to Orlando, according to the people.

The Lakers would land Howard, who they have been aggressively pursuing for quite some time.

The Cavaliers would acquire a second star to put alongside Kyrie Irving, one they should be able to keep long term as Cleveland has been mentioned as a team Bynum will consider signing an extension with.

The Magic would acquire a number of prospects and draft picks as well as a significant amount of cap relief, which is exactly what they want in exchange for Howard. Rather than bringing in veterans who will keep the team competitive, Orlando wants to stockpile young talent and completely rebuild.

The Houston Rockets remain interested in Howard, and they've also been in contact with Magic brass in recent days. The Rockets' money is currently tied up in restricted free agents Jeremy Lin and Omer Asik, whom they've signed to offer sheets.

At this point, there's no clear frontrunner for Howard, but the Lakers and Rockets are certainly leading the charge for the six-time All-Star.



Blah Blah blah...Poopsworld

 

Most likely reason would have to do with maintaining maximum flexibility during the prime FA period.

Especially vital for teams as active as the Rockets have been this year.

 

The next Lin, the next abuka (golden state got cut by us led Leauge in 3 point shooting 09)
The next Greg smith the next JT the next moochie-thanks Bima for telling these homers
Who cling on role players as if they're untraceable, and will somehow be a top 5 player
in the L
Dwight is a one time wonder at this point of basketball in our generation-he's survived longer than Yao. Dwight is younger than Yao in prime, and a beast like Yao.
Bima tell these idiots you do the trade daily, even if you have to take DD in the deal.