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[ESPN] Sources: New trade offer in works (for Dwight Howard)

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Juxtaposed Jolt, Jul 13, 2012.

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If we make this trade, can this trade blow-up in our faces 5 years from now, and be worse than the Hershel Walker deal in the early 90's with Jim Johnson and Jerry Jones.( i know you cant compare the NFL to the NBA).

Im just saying, because i wanna see how Dwight plays after that back surgey before we commit our prospects, and future draft choices

#321 ObamaFan, Jul 13, 2012

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W22_STREAK said: ↑

Don't you try to start arguments with me, or I'll personally come to your house and circumcise your penis. You think you are right, but no, you know nothing about the current state of Rockets basketball, kiddo. Next time you hurl unsubstantiated comments at me you better watch your back.
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Dude I stopped arguing with you a long time ago...what are you on?...I'm really not scared of a Morey Fan at 2 am..talking tough over the Internet..get a life gangster

#322 Houst0ne, Jul 13, 2012
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Asian Sensation said: ↑

knock it off with the ****ing but Parsons. But Parsons. But Parsons nothing!!! I'm sick and tired of people wanting to hold on to Parsons like he's some franchise player that's untouchable like LeBron James or the white Scottie Pippen in his prime.

Yes I get that Parsons is on a very friendly contract, I realize he's a 2nd rounder that turned out well and made a name for himself in the league. Yes he's a hard-worker that makes the most of his limited skill-set. With all that said the dude is going to be no more than a career role player and players like him come around all the freaking time. Take him off your pedestal and quit overrating the guy and saying he's a deal breaker from acquiring the most dominant player in the NBA. I know Parsons has a cult like following on ClutchFans but it's not cute anymore. Be glad that he has blessed us with increasing his asset level for an opportunity to land us a Dwight Howard.
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mad cuz he's white.

#323 jaxwithanx, Jul 13, 2012
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Carl Herrera said: ↑

Actually, the issue is whether you have enough left in terms of both talent and cap flexibility in order to retain Dwight Howard. Dwight Howard might be persuaded by the $30M extra guaranteed money, but if you put him in a situation with no talent and full of bad contracts, he will still be more likely to bolt. Besides, getting him isn't the ultimate goal: winning a title is, and for that you need more talent, assets and cap flexibility. This is why some of us have reasonable concerns over "overpaying for Dwight Howard."
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Well put.

#324 thekad, Jul 13, 2012
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The question isn't any kind of personal attachment to Parsons, not to me at least. The question is whether, in the aggregate, HOU can have enough talent and flexibility left to (1) contend with Dwight Howard and (2) convince him to stay.

Parsons is one piece of it. He does not have super high ceiling, but is a good role player with a cheap contract, which is what a team with Dwight Howard (and some not so friendly contracts) need. Frankly, he's needed more on a team like the post-trade Rockets than the post-trade Magic (who are going to stink with or without Parsons, and Parsons won't be a future star for them).
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I think folks here are keying on how to convince him to stay..... few mentioned for what players Morey intends to swap him for at the deadline if he cannot be convinced

#325 daywalker02, Jul 13, 2012
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The Nets were gonna give up WAY less than this

STERN sending orders to Rob Henningan, trying to call Moreys bluff

#326 ObamaFan, Jul 13, 2012
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rolyat93 said: ↑

Classic clutcfans. Don't focus on getting Dwight Howard, instead b**** and moan about losing a bunch of role players.
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You won't be thinking that way in 3-4 years when Dwight is long gone and Lamb, White, and Parsons are making Allstar games.

#327 JMAD21, Jul 13, 2012

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Parsons that is.

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Y'all are funny. This deal is Orlando's offer so Morey will settle somewhere in between.

This is the way to go though, by giving up our 2012 draft picks we get to keep Donatas Motiejunas and all our future picks so if Dwight leaves we can successfully tank.

Exchange Parsons or one of the rookies for Leuer/Harrelson/Livingston and that will probably be the deal. If Morey is really good, he will get to keep two of the rookies and Parsons and send them Dallas's future 1st instead.

My biggest relief is that they are willing to take K-Mart. Whew.

#329 konver5ation, Jul 13, 2012
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Thats alot for a guy who dont wanna be here in Houston ...Morey either gonna look real smart or REEEAALLLLL DUMB in but right now REAL DUMB !

#330 rocketblood713, Jul 13, 2012
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LOL, if we give up THAT much we're going to be such a crappy team with no shot at the championship that I'm probably just going to have to skip watching games and just check box scores next season until this fiasco blows over.

Unbelievable. I'm going to hold out hope that Morey knows when he's being taken advantage of.

#331 tofu--, Jul 13, 2012
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If Dwight would sign the extension I wouldn't be tripping...but the fact that we don't know makes me nervous

#332 Houst0ne, Jul 13, 2012
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Carl Herrera said: ↑

The question isn't any kind of personal attachment to Parsons, not to me at least. The question is whether, in the aggregate, HOU can have enough talent and flexibility left to (1) contend with Dwight Howard and (2) convince him to stay.

Parsons is one piece of it. He does not have super high ceiling, but is a good role player with a cheap contract, which is what a team with Dwight Howard (and some not so friendly contracts) need. Frankly, he's needed more on a team like the post-trade Rockets than the post-trade Magic (who are going to stink with or without Parsons, and Parsons won't be a future star for them).
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I can't disagree with that. But lets say the Magic demanded we give him up in a trade for Howard. Would he be a deal breaker like the majority of CFans are making him out to be?

#333 Asian Sensation, Jul 13, 2012

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ObamaFan said: ↑

If we make this trade, can this trade blow-up in our faces 5 years from now, and be worse than the Hershel Walker deal in the early 90's with Jim Johnson and Jerry Jones.( i know you cant compare the NFL to the NBA).

Im just saying, because i wanna see how Dwight plays after that back surgey before we commit our prospects, and future draft choices
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You mean 3 guys drafted 12, 16 and 18 all becoming perennial Allstars? What are the chances?

#334 Carl Herrera, Jul 13, 2012
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F that...

#335 prs325, Jul 13, 2012
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mad cuz he's white.
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That's exactly right. What are you a mind-reader?

#336 Asian Sensation, Jul 13, 2012
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Parsons, Patterson, White, Lamb do not trade

We will take 3 of the 4

Richardson
Duhoun
Davis
Turk

#337 kmav23, Jul 13, 2012
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JayGoogle said: ↑

Ah see, at first I thought of putting a million or two, then the risk may be worth it.

But IMO the risk is not worth it, so I settled on 50k. That way even if you do win the money you'll just have to spend it over again on the things you lost.

That's what this is to me because we'd acquire Dwight and then would have to build the team entirely up again. We'd have a backup PF...that's about it. Would need to fill every other position. The small 50K number represents the flexibility we will have left if we go through with that one.
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Biggest knock on Murray is that he couldn't get a Super Star. I have no doubt if we have THE guy in place Morey could get the ancillary pieces to contend for a championship. The talent we had around an injured Yao and McGrady in '08 is a prime example (I know it was long ago). If Yao and Tmac could have been healthy it would have been marvelous.

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I'd rather go with the guys the Rockets followed

Swapping teams? Doesn't sound like a good idea. Not even really about who we're giving up but what we'd be taking back (if this report is to be believed). Dwight is trying to leave those guys, that situation, not team up with them again, ha.

Let's see what happens...

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This is a horrible trade proposal. We are basically being asked to give our entire roster & future drat picks for just 1 top 20 player while taking on the garbage contracts of other Orlando players. I don't care about trading players but 3 players that I want on the roster are D-Mo, Lamb, and Jones!!!

#340 willieg52, Jul 13, 2012

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