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Rockets involved in trade talk for Dwight Howard or Andrew Bynum

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by sweetbobl, Jul 10, 2012.

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Who do you want on the rockets more?

  1. Andrew Bynum

    605 vote(s)
    59.5%
  2. Dwight Howard

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    40.5%
  1. rezdawg

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    Its true that Bynum had Gasol and Kobe taking away opportunities...but they both had almost exactly the same number of shot attempts. And as a team, the Lakers only had 2 more shot attempts per game over the Magic. So, although its true that Kobe and Gasol took up many of the Laker's shots, the Magic had a more balanced attack as Anderson, Richardson, Hedo, Nelson, and Redick all took plenty of shots. Therefore, I wouldnt say that Howard is the only real team option since his teammates seemed to want to shoot plenty of times.
     
  2. juicystream

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    Howard Bynum
    TS% 56.9 59.4
    Ortg 106 112
    WS/48 .179 .183

    Using PPG & RPG are terrible measures given different minutes and usage rates. Bynum is easily the better offensive player. Howard is easily the better defensive player. Howard had his worst year in 5 years. Obviously the distraction was his own making and his back injury were factors. I'm not claiming Bynum is better going forward, just that Bynum was the best C last year.

    If Bynum comes to Houston, I think he will average 25 & 13.

    Edit: One game is about as small a sample size as allowable. Bynum was in foul trouble. Bynum was actually having a solid game otherwise. Howard played 19 minutes more than Bynum in that game. Credit Howard for drawing those fouls, but he doesn't always do that.
     
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  3. dookiester

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    yao dominated howard every time they matched up, but what good did that do when we couldn't get past the plethora of teams playing small defenders on yao (mavs, jazz twice)? who cares about having the player who wins the head to head matchup? i agree that howard beats bynum head to head (but only because his defense is so dominant), but because bynum's ability to play both ends of the floor is better for your team (in my opinion) against nearly every other team in the nba, it makes more sense to try and build around that guy.

    and no, the assumption is not wrong. dwight is not more 'devastating' on offense, unless you mean the devastation he wreaks on the rim with his free throws. against every team in the nba that doesn't have dwight, bynum is an unstoppable force. against every team in the nba, dwight can be neutralized on offense. part of me hopes we do get dwight just so those of you who clearly haven't watched much of him can get what you asked for. prepare to see the same turnover prone offense and over reliance on 3 pointers that we had with yao - but this time we won't have a tmac to bail us out of horrible possessions with last second miracle shots.
     
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  4. swyyyguy

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    got damn, have you ever seen dwight take a non-dunk shot? if you think his offensive game is good, you must be a fairly new basketball fan.
     
  5. Joshfast

    Joshfast "We're all gonna die" - Billy Sole
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    Thanks for typing this out so I didn't have to. My thoughts exactly.
     
  6. swyyyguy

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    are you really comparing dwight howard to hakeem olajuwon? oh, the humanity. that is a disgrace to the rockets organization and the history of clutch city.

    did you really just say that dwight is going to beat bynum like a drum in crunch time? oh right, because you can just draw up dunk plays in the last minute of a game huh?
     
  7. juicystream

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    Bynum still scores on Howard, FWIW.
     
  8. Shroopy2

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    Really, over 3,000 POSTS to this thread?

    I'm going with a "believe it when I see it approach".

    Its not that I'm not interested, I AM VERY interested. Just can't get attached to any players right now, the ones we already have OR the possible incoming ones that might NOT come lol
     
  9. rezdawg

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    TS% and Ortg severely penalize Howard bc of his FT%. So basically, what you are saying, is that Bynum is the better player because Howard made only 49% of his free throws. I do think Howard is brutal at the line...but that only emphasizes how much better Howard is in every other aspect of the game. Bynum is more polished offensively than Howard, but it really shouldnt matter since Howard scores more points on just as many shot attempts. Howard gets to the basket...much like Shaq just got to the basket. You dont need a pretty 10 ft fadeaway to score. Just score...and Howard can do that just as well as Bynum.

    And defensively, its really not even close.
     
  10. DonnyMost

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    I don't care if Dwight's offensive game is ugly. He scores points. That's "game" enough for me.

    Bynum's knees and mental handicaps make him slightly less desirable to me, despite his offensive potential and age.

    Either way, I have no doubt that whomever we end up with is going to either sign here or net us a huge package in a sign and trade.

    They're 1A and 1B to me. So if this trade goes down, it's a "doesn't matter; had sex" scenario.
     
  11. juicystream

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    Dwight's offense is fine, if you have people that can score around him. Unfortunately Howard has let it be known he wants to be the focal point of the offense, which isn't necessarily the best option all the time.
     
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  13. Joshfast

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    It sucks - i'm really only happy when the Rockets have a true back to the basket center. That's how I grew up watching basketball - Moses, Hakeem, Yao... if one team should have the lone true back to the basket center in the NBA its the Rockets.

    Dwight's the better player but not the one I would want to watch but im acknowledge i'm weird.
     
  14. juicystream

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    Howard gets to the basket absolutely nothing like Shaq. You didn't watch either of them if you think that.

    Believe it or not, FT% matters in the NBA. Bynum had more win shares than Howard last year.

    I said Howard is much better defensively, but Bynum is much better offensively.
     
  15. justtxyank

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    Howard is not Shaq. He has a beastly body but people underrate what Shaq did on offense. Shaq is the single greatest offensive force the NBA has ever seen. He was explosive and athletic despite being huge with a weight and center of gravity that made it impossible to guard him. He also had post moves and could pass out of the post.
     
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    I wasnt making the point that Howard played like Shaq...Im making the point that Howard just scores, regardless of how it looks. Shaq wasnt pretty, but he scored. Howard doesnt have a pretty offensive game, but he scores. Again, Howard gets himself to the basket or puts himself in a position to score off of misses. I really dont care how he does it...he just does.
     
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    I actually think it was pretty with Shaq though. He had moves to go along with his unnatural power.
     
  18. K-Low_4_Prez

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    It's funny how ESPN Is still refusing to recognize us as the front runners or that we even have a shot.
     
  19. juicystream

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    Bynum does get doubled. Howard doesn't actually end up doubled that often. Howard is the one superstar that dominates the game more without the ball. Sure that Magic team never would have come close the finals without him. Of course, the Magic never would have made it to the ECF if KG wasn't hurt either. They had a very easy path to the finals that year. When they faced of against LA, Howard was no longer Superman.
     
  20. DonnyMost

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    Shaq didn't really develop any kind of finesse game until about 1999ish.

    1993-1998 Shaq was just all about dunking on people and garbage points.

    Howard is at the same point in his career/age in his life (age 26) when Shaq started to get some outside game.
     

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