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[Feigen] Rockets consider amnestying Scola, as talks with the Magic grow "serious"

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by HMMMHMM, Jul 11, 2012.

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We need to take a hard line with Orlando. We're the one with leverage. Orlando is the one with a screaming baby who refuses to play.

#181 Aruba77, Jul 11, 2012

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My guess is hennigan has told their owner let us keep he do so the rockets have to include more

#182 claydavis, Jul 11, 2012
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I think some of you overrate our leverage with Orlando. They aren't going to make a bad deal.

#183 justtxyank, Jul 11, 2012
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CXbby said: ↑

Something you aren't considering: Everything that you have considered, Morey already considered a year ago, reconsidered it, went to go take a dump, and then considered it some more. By now, he is already considering things people on this message board won't be considering until far into the future, when such considerations are all but pointless already.
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The guy is infallible, right? If he peed on me I'd go to heaven

#184 Aruba77, Jul 11, 2012

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I'm for taking on Turk, JRich and Duhon, and amnestying Scola, if it means we get to keep Lamb, White, Parsons and DMo. With those four and Dwight, we are just a point guard away from being a future title contender. We can cut Turk and Duhon next summer, and only be on the hook for about $7 million of their salaries in 2013-2014, I believe? With Scola off the books, I haven't done the math, but perhaps we would have cap room to sign CP3 next summer? We need a CH salary chart, please.

#185 JoeBarelyCares, Jul 11, 2012
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the idea of amnestying scola for dwight feels so dirty

#186 vernonmaxwell86, Jul 11, 2012
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Bima --

Talk of amesty waiving Scola seems ludicrous to me, considering that both NYK and CHI are expected to match offer sheets on Lin, Asik.
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#187 Joe Fan, Jul 11, 2012

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Rocket_Man_2.0 said: ↑

This will go down as the worst trade in Rockets history!!!...Worse then Eddie Griffin trade...even worse then the Barkley trade. Years from now..we'll look back on this trade and say...that's the one that set us back a decade
Rockets could have a quickly rebuild with all the players with potential and picks we have and be competitive in 2 -3 years...but if Howard leaves..get ready for a decade of suck! If Howard leaves Rockets will be worse then the Bobcats..yes the BobcatsYou can tank the right way...Developing a young core of talented players or you can tank the wrong way..trade all your prospects for a player who will leave for another team...and the Rockets will be left with no prospects, no future... and were gonna have to watch our sorry team while..Lamb, White, Montijunas and Parson excel and turn into All-stars on the Magic...Barf!!
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Lighten up Francis

#188 Roachiep, Jul 11, 2012
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Deckard said: ↑

That's right, we will see. As I said, I'm not opposed to including what I consider to be a great amount of value in picks, young talent, and established players, and to take on a bad contract or two, depending on the size of those contracts, but some of what I've read recently reeks of desperation to do a deal, no matter the cost. I sincerely hope that isn't the case with the front office and that most of this "noise" is being produced by agents, other teams' front offices, and the media. Not for a rental.
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The only people desperate right now are Orlando, NJ, and Dwight Howard. Read the news the past couple of days. Everything coming out is to squeeze more value out of Houston. Do you think that would be necessary if Morey was desperate?

#189 CXbby, Jul 11, 2012
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i dont think it would be a true rental. more of a lease with an option to buy since we can offer him the most money next offseason.

#190 mylilpony, Jul 11, 2012
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J.R. said: ↑

Possibly 3 Orlando vets?!
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We will basically see Houston Magic vs Orlando Rockets next season. Sigh

#191 romain, Jul 11, 2012
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If we got him, would Dwight force his way out of Houston?

No.

Why?

$58 million reasons why!!!

#192 IzakDavid13, Jul 11, 2012
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Drew_Le said: ↑

Bingo!

We are going to be pleasantly surprised by this trade. Further, I have a feeling Morey is going to try and immediately find a #2 star.
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I call Rudy Gay or Boozer

#193 REEKO_HTOWN, Jul 11, 2012

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Outta curiosity, does anyone know if were still pretty relevant in China, if so maybe all the money from the Chinese endorsements would be a persuading factor for Dwight to stay next year?

#194 colbs713, Jul 11, 2012
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Rileydog said: ↑

Fact - Morey knows he can acquire complimentary pieces.

Fact - PatPat can play next to Howard. Amnestying scola isn't that big a deal.

Fact - Acquiring Howard is to build a championship team in the next 2-3 years, not to win it all next year.

Fact - Morey has given great effort in pursuit of stars or near stars, but for a variety of reasons beyond his control, hasn't landed one. See Bosh, Melo, Gasol.

Conclusion: If there's a deal to be had for Howard, Morey's not going to pass on it. This isn't the time where he's going to be cute and decline the deal b/c he won't take Duhon's contract, or b/c he won't include Royce White. That's not to say that he won't negotiate as hard as he can and keep as many assets as possible.

As Donuts said, if you're afraid of wolves, don't go into the woods. This is a high level negotiation.

I'm guessing that, by now, Morey has offered something like eating JRich and Duhon's contract, plus the toronto and dallas pick, 2 second rounders, and Lamb and Jones.

And Hennigan is asking for us to eat Jrich, Duhon and Hedo's contract, plus the toronto, Dallas and unprotected future 1st from Houston, 2 second rounders, and three out of Lamb, Jones, White and Morris, plus Parsons.

I'm guessing Morey has said no way in hell that we offer an unprotected future Houston 1st round pick b/c that's pretty valuable if Howard does leave and we're a lotto team. He's probably said no to giving 3 first rounders and is holding the line at the toronto and dallas picks.

The question is eating a 3rd contract, and how many of the kids we give up. My guess is that eating that 3 year deal is less palatable than giving up three of the kids.

If Morey can get Hennigan away from asking for the 3rd first round pick and Parsons, who is a cheap, effective starter, then it would be time to close.

My guess is that, in a scenario comparable to this, Morey would say let's split the difference, and I'll give you the third kid that you want, but I don't eat that 3 year deal.

Orlando is going to suck for a while, will have to hit minimum salary anyway, so what do they care about 1 crappy contract. They're more concerned about acquiring picks and prospects, so they say ok.

I'm not trying to say this is the exact scenario, but my guess is that this is close to what's going on.

But bottom line -- Morey ain't going to let this opportunity pass, if there's a deal to be made.
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I went through a lot of pages to find this writing again... Well written sir... Couldn't have said it better myself! (I have heard that I have to be rep'd to give out some rep again so if that happens with me, or if someone else rep's you from me on this writing, that will be fine with me!

Keep up the good work, Rileydog!

#195 RocketFan, Jul 11, 2012
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BimaThug is not pleased, at all.

#196 Ricksmith, Jul 11, 2012
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Why not just trade Scola for Francisco Garcia and a pick to give Orlando another expiring and pick?

#197 ApolloRLB, Jul 11, 2012
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morey knows what he's doing. relax...

#198 thino, Jul 11, 2012

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well this new magic gm is definately not jerry weisbroad thats for sure.

#199 Z-Ro&Trae, Jul 11, 2012
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REEKO_HTOWN said: ↑

I call Rudy Gay or Boozer
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Gay would make a lot of sense. Boozer not so much.

#200 ApolloRLB, Jul 11, 2012

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