Rockets involved in trade talk for Dwight Howard or Andrew Bynum

The Situation · Jul 11, 2012

REEKO_HTOWN said: ↑

Bucher is really trying to save the Nets from looking like idiots. ESPN is begging! Begging! for the Nets to land Howard.
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Yup, saying the Nets have the best deal.

Ricksmith · Jul 11, 2012

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>"@<a href="https://twitter.com/JohnRossJr">JohnRossJr</a>:Current HOU offer?"If Asik matched, they can aid cap relief. Assets include:1st rder from Lowry deal, Martin exp deal, young Fs</p>— Tony Mejia (@TonyMejiaNBA) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyMejiaNBA/status/223084285102526464" data-datetime="2012-07-11T16:00:12+00:00">July 11, 2012</a></blockquote>
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They want some Forwards? Lol, we have plenty to offer!

REEKO_HTOWN · Jul 11, 2012

The Situation said: ↑

Yup, saying the Nets have the best deal.
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It's mind boggling. Saying we wouldn't take on a bad contract? Morey's been creating Cap space for that!

rezdawg · Jul 11, 2012

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He just said the Nets are still the team that can offer the best deal, realistically. In other news, I vomited.
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I really want can't imagine how someone like this has a job....is he ****ing r****ded? The Nets have exactly a zero percent chance of getting Howard. The media cannot be this stupid.

mic · Jul 11, 2012

rezdawg said: ↑

I really want can't imagine how someone like this has a job....is he ****ing r****ded? The Nets have exactly a zero percent chance of getting Howard. The media cannot be this stupid.
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They can be, and they are. Bucher looks so damn smug, too.

mollamar · Jul 11, 2012

I think people are vastly overestimating what we will have to give up for Howard if we get him. I actually think Bynum costs us more. Also, I think it is almost guaranteed that we get one or the other or Gasol. Not a stretch, I guess, but let me explain.

I see transactions as falling into three buckets (pun intended):

1) An auction -- Few sellers and many buyers. Buyers compete and bid up the price. The winner has to pay just slightly more than the second highest bidder. The buyer may have been willing to pay much more ("his willingness to pay was high"), but he gets the deal at a lower price because the market was set by the second highest bidder. (FYI -- this is in part why Morey, as a buyer, does not do extensions of his players but rather matches their RFA offers. It prevents him from negotiating against himself).
2) An induced sale -- In this case, as the buyer you are not really competing with another bidder, but rather the potential seller's own value (utility) for the asset. If you come to me today to buy my house, which I am living in happily with no intention to sell, then you are going to have to make me a sweet sweet offer to induce me into selling. As they say, everything is for sale at some price. In this case, the buyer must pay a price above the seller's value of keeping the asset.
3) A fire sale -- Fire sales happen when the seller is desperate, either because the good they are selling is a perishable asset (think last minute hotel deals or "reduced for quick sale" products at the grocery store like soon to expire meat and browning bananas), or because they have some greater organizational distress and need relief fast.

Transactions can fall in more than one bucket at once or fall somewhere in between, but in general these three lay out a fairly good

Dwight Howard's contract is a perishable asset. Each day he marches toward free agency, his value to Orlando diminishes. Yes, Bird rights serve to preserve some value for his contract at expiry, (which is why we are willing to trade for him without an extension), but given the dynamics of the relationship there and the perils of mediocrity in the NBA, he is definitely for sale. No one is having to induce Orlando to sell. Moreover, the world of potential buyers is severely limited. Once you take away teams that either (1) won’t sign Howard without a commitment of an extension, (2) don’t have a cap structure / contracts to send in return which fit (both ways) under league rules, (3) prefer who they have at center already (I can’t think of a team that fits this but maybe the T-Wolves) then you have a small world of buyers. In this small world auction, then, we only have to pay more than the next team is willing. Today, we know that the Nets and Lakers are the other bidders. The Nets can’t pay all that much anyway in terms of value and far too many things have to fall into place simultaneously (BYC issues, multiple sign and trades, etc.). That leaves the Lakers.

For the Lakers to do the deal, Bynum has to be part of it – I say that not so much for the math but because Howard is not worth nearly as much on a team with Bynum as he is on a team without a legit center, so the only way the Lakers win the auction if we are in the hunt is to put Bynum in the deal, and for Orlando to want to take Bynum back to build around. If Orlando wants Bynum, then the Rocket’s move is to facilitate it and end up with Gasol. If Orlando prefers more of a clean slate, then we end up with Howard directly or Bynum via the three way. The more reticent Howard is to sign an extension, the fewer teams in the auction, the lower the price to us.

The outcome of Morey’s asset collecting is that we have the flexibility (and need) to end up as primary partner or facilitator. If we get Bynum for facilitating Howard to the Lakers, and all it cost us is replaceable role players, flawed one way playing near stars, unproven mid lottery and second round draft picks, and Lowry, well, holy crap, nice haul.

If we get Howard for the same price, and he doesn’t re-sign (leaving a lot on the table to do so), then either at the trade deadline or in an offseason SNT, we end up in Orlando’s shoes hoping for a multi-buyer market to flip Howard into for some other assets. Will they be worse next summer than we give up today to get him, maybe, maybe not. But a reasonable gamble.

If we get Howard, and he stays, look out. Does anyone doubt that within 2 years Morey can’t get us enough role players and near stars again to be a threat in the playoffs? By then the penalty luxury tax sets in and OKC have lost one of its main three and the Lakers and Spurs and Mavs have declined?

I’d be willing to bet on that.

Rox_Mayhem · Jul 11, 2012

REEKO_HTOWN said: ↑

Bucher is really trying to save the Nets from looking like idiots. ESPN is begging! Begging! for the Nets to land Howard.
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Saw that too . The guy is an idiot.

Genesis · Jul 11, 2012

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I know. It's just maddening. We get treated like the stepchild of the media.
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Yeah, you have to grow a thick skin to be a houston sports fan.

BHannes2BHonest · Jul 11, 2012

rezdawg said: ↑

I really want can't imagine how someone like this has a job....is he ****ing r****ded? The Nets have exactly a zero percent chance of getting Howard. The media cannot be this stupid.
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^ and the worst part is even IF they were actually credible they are annoying to listen to and completely baseless

123Rockets · Jul 11, 2012

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I want the second best player in the NBA. Yes, I want Dwight.
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3rd. Lebron and Durant are miles ahead. Howard barely has a post move.

Rockets2K · Jul 11, 2012

HollaIFyaHEMI said: ↑

I don't think I need to point anywhere, because it is everywhere. The only reason Dwight Howard is being traded...is because he won't resign with the team he is on now. Why would he re sign with the Rockets, especially after saying he absolutely would not. It is not like we will have the pieces this next year to show him that we can contend. RENTAL...is all he is, and a costly one.
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you said that Howard has stated he wont reup period.

RM95 is right...I don't recall anyone but anonymous sources saying that. Once one so-called "source" claimed it, everyone else has been repeating it.

I'd still be interested in a link that shows either Howard or his agent quoted as saying it.

I don't think you can find one.

B-Bob · Jul 11, 2012

123Rockets said: ↑

3rd. Lebron and Durant are miles ahead. Howard barely has a post move.
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The worst thing about that simple truth is that he has delusions on that front.

coachbadlee · Jul 11, 2012

Dat Dude said: ↑

Funny how I wasn't the only one who thought this, though, huh? Kinda strange You knew what you were doing. Don't play stupid.
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In other words, i never said Dwight is not coming here. Now, i probably said Dwight does not want to come here. Thats a fact you keep dismissing for some strange reason.

Bublanski · Jul 11, 2012

you are not gonna win a championship if dwight howard is your best player. How are you gonna win close playoff games if your franchise player has to be benched because he cant shoot freebies?

when it comes to winning titles, it usually will come down to who has the better franchise player. your going up against kobe, nowitzki, durant & if you get pass that its lebron or drose.

howard who is a career 58% free throw shooter who just had back surgery, if he's your best player, can you honestly say we are beating any of those aforementioned teams?

jopatmc · Jul 11, 2012

123Rockets said: ↑

3rd. Lebron and Durant are miles ahead. Howard barely has a post move.
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Not going to argue that with you. Believe what you will.

Ricksmith · Jul 11, 2012

Ricksmith said: ↑

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>"@<a href="https://twitter.com/JohnRossJr">JohnRossJr</a>:Current HOU offer?"If Asik matched, they can aid cap relief. Assets include:1st rder from Lowry deal, Martin exp deal, young Fs</p>— Tony Mejia (@TonyMejiaNBA) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyMejiaNBA/status/223084285102526464" data-datetime="2012-07-11T16:00:12+00:00">July 11, 2012</a></blockquote>
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They want some Forwards? Lol, we have plenty to offer!
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Sorry, since Twitter limits you to 140, didn't mention Lamb. Yes, certain the No. 12 pick, a shooting guard, would be attractive option.</p>— Tony Mejia (@TonyMejiaNBA) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyMejiaNBA/status/223088032436322305" data-datetime="2012-07-11T16:15:06+00:00">July 11, 2012</a></blockquote>
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Spiegel · Jul 11, 2012

RG Alert.^^^^^^^^

hooroo · Jul 11, 2012

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Sorry, since Twitter limits you to 140, didn't mention Lamb. Yes, certain the No. 12 pick, a shooting guard, would be attractive option.</p>— Tony Mejia (@TonyMejiaNBA) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyMejiaNBA/status/223088032436322305" data-datetime="2012-07-11T16:15:06+00:00">July 11, 2012</a></blockquote>
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Keep Lamb, given them White.

LonghornFan · Jul 11, 2012

mic said: ↑

"Nets still look like the best trade partner they can have, and the most probable." HOW?????????
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Kojirou · Jul 11, 2012

Bublanski said: ↑

you are not gonna win a championship if dwight howard is your best player. How are you gonna win close playoff games if your franchise player has to be benched because he cant shoot freebies?

when it comes to winning titles, it usually will come down to who has the better franchise player. your going up against kobe, nowitzki, durant & if you get pass that its lebron or drose.

howard who is a career 58% free throw shooter who just had back surgery, if he's your best player, can you honestly say we are beating any of those aforementioned teams?
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There's this center. Played for Orlando for a while, then went to LA. Pretty famous for being terrible with FT's. Now retired. Gets compared to Howard a lot.

Can't remember his name for some reason.

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