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[Local Orlando News] Dwight Howard trade could be imminent

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Fullcourt, Jul 6, 2012.

  1. munco

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    Maybe he'll go along with it. Why stay on a team that doesn't want you and would rather have someone else
     
  2. JayGoogle

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    Because it's likely he would be turning down more money.

    Most players on their rookie contract jump at their next contract. You rarely see a guy turn that down.
     
  3. Carl Herrera

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    If Lopez really is a max player, why didn't anyone offer him that yet? Hibbert got a max offer. Eric Gordon (also injured most oflast yr) got a max offer. Why didn't any team meet with Lopez midnight July 1 to offer him the max?
     
  4. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    Because he isn't a Max player. He can't even prove he's a healthy player.
     
  5. OlajuwonFan81

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    The nets have nothing to offer. This is just a last ditch effort to raise everyone's highest offer even more. I get the feeling he is coming to Houston. We have the best package, and he goes to a western conference team.
     
  6. Fullcourt

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    Man I sure hope so. It would be a great day in Houston if we get a top 5 player.
     
  7. JayGoogle

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    IMO neither of those guys are worth Max any ways. Teams will overpay if it's a guy they really want.

    Not sure why Orlando would want to overpay for Lopez but teams have done dumber things that is for sure.
     
  8. Fullcourt

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    I think I'v actually read tweets that suggest Brooklyn would offer him the max regardless...
     
  9. Da_Spark

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    It's crucial for Morey to convert Lee and/or Camby into future picks to seal the deal with Orlando.

    I would be surprised if Orlando settles with a Lopez deal with the Nets. Seriously? Lopez as your conerstone? They need lottery picks and they sure won't get that from making Brooklyn one of the power teams in the league.
     
  10. Carl Herrera

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    The one and only real choice for Orlando is this: Do you think Lopez is worth locking up at the max or whatever hefty sum he's sure to demand?

    If so, then the Brooklyn deal is the one you want-- you apply as much pressure as you can on the Nets to give up as many ancillary pieces as possible and take out as many of your bad contracts as they can but this is the deal that you go with.

    If not, then Houston's offer of a collection of rookie class talent and draft picks (better draft picks than the Nets can offer) will be preferable.


    Any of the ancillary negotiation is just side-show. I mean, as hard as ORL apparently pressured the Nets to find CLE to take on Humphries at the rumored 1 year $8-9M contract, this is really not that important in terms of Orlando's cap flexibility. They were gonna get signifcantly below the cap even if they took Hump back on that contract (they'd be dumping Hedo and maybe Richardson) and it's not like there are FAs left to go after that would make Orlando an instant contender. Next year, Hump's contract comes off the books.
     
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  11. Fullcourt

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    I'll tell you one thing, if he trades Dwight for Lopez, I'm gonna root against Rob Hennigan for the rest of his career.
     
  12. Carl Herrera

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    I mean, if Lopez is indeed worth the max (or close to it) in Hennigan's view, then there's nothing HOU can offer to match it.

    If not, then there's no reason for Orlando to prefer him to cap space and better draft picks.
     
  13. BriBri07

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    Everyone should RELAX......this has been dragging on for a while and the only reason i think it has is because no1 can trump the offer we have on the table especially with bynum now of the picture.

    Iam pretty sure no morey has given them a VERY good offer...(mix of lottery picks..how good is dall first looking now?...expiring, young contracts, etc..

    Sure we dont have the borderline all-star orl can build around but we can give them players who could grow into that role, ...whatever offer we do have on the table iam sure morey made sure wed have
    1. The Cap room to make one more move...which means no more than 1 maybe 2 bad contracts depending on cap situation
    2. Enough good players on the roster where we can still contend for a championship.

    We will not go all-in like Orlando want us to and we shouldnt...stick to the offer wait things out and iam pretty darn sure hennigan will come back to our offer since IMO orlando doesent have anything close to our offer (future wise)....
     
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  14. Fullcourt

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    I just can't imagine maxing out Lopez even if he was able to stay healthy. You add in the fact that he's coming off a major foot injury (bad sign for 7 footers), It would be foolish to make him the centerpiece of your Dwight trade. At least our package leaves the chance of yielding a star player for them. Brooklyn will deliver you an above average player in Lopez and crappy draft picks from a new power house that stands in your way that YOU created in the Nets.
     
  15. OlajuwonFan81

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    My only concern is NOT that the nets have a better offer than the rockets but that Morey has decided that acquiring howard and dealing with the 1 year rental headache is not worth it and it might be better to just rebuild the old fashion way.
     
  16. dreammvp

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    I HOPE NOT...and I don't think so..every move Daryl has made, has been to get Dwight...why would he back off now....he is ALL IN...he isn't going to fold now
     
  17. Aruba77

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    Do you want next year to be all about whether or not Dwight is bolting, and which team he's going to? How do you sell Dwight on Houston when we have no one good to surround him with? These are the questions I hope Morey is taking into consideration. Clearly going after Dwight is not a bad thing, but overpaying for him is given the fact that in order to have a chance at keeping him you have to retain cap flexibility and enough assets to build around him. Ironically acquiring Dwight will probably require taking back terrible contracts as well as giving up most of our assets. To me, it's a catch 22, and I'm glad Morey has drawn a hard bright line.
     
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  18. Carl Herrera

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    I would say that there is one thing that Daryl would not, and should not, do in a Dwight Howard trade: taking on too much $ in "bad contracts" from Orlando.

    Specifically, the goal isn't just to get Howard in the door, but also to at least have a good chance at keeping him and build a contending team around him. A big part of achieving this goals is having cap flexibility going into the 2013 offseason so that not only can you pay Howard the max, but also have the money to sign another max-level player (like Chris Paul) and other good pieces. If the Rockets end up taking, for example, Jason Richardson and Hedo Turkoglu off Orlando's hands, they'll tie up their 2013 cap space and basically get stuck in the same situation that Orlando has been in.

    You can take a chance on Dwight staying or leaving, but you shouldn't stack the odds against yourself and practically push Dwight out the door.

    This is perhaps one thing that would give Brooklyn an advantage: they already have the talent around Dwight and don't need the cap space to surround Dwight with more top layers. So, they can take on as many bad contracts as they can figure out ways how to.
     
  19. meh

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    I actually think we will do the exact opposite. That morey cares less about fiscal matters and more about keeping enough stuff for further trades. If we get howard, I see us continue and go for more vets to build a contender. I doubt Howard wants to play alongside developing rookies when he is in his prime.
     
  20. Carl Herrera

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    We know who Dwight Howard does not want to play next to: the bad contract guys on the Orlando Magic.

    We also know which guys have no trade value: the bad contract guys on the Orlando Magic.


    If you want to get guys that Howard actually wants to play next to, you have to have cap flexibility either during the 2012/13 season to possibly make a key trade or going into the 2013 season for free agent acquisitions. In either case, the bad contracts guys on the Orlando Magic do not help the cause.
     

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