[ClutchFans] Rockets trade Lowry, stay focused on Howard

I've used the analogy before, but Morey is Warren Buffett. Buffett is boring as hell. I guess you could call him cheap - he would prefer 'thrifty' as that is what his personalized license plate on his unexciting car says. Buffet isn't magic - his investments often fail. But he ends up winning by working harder than everybody else and being diciplined. He doesn't throw money around, and has the dicipline to walk away from a deal if the price is higher than he values it. There have even been times when he is completely out of the market because he doesn't see value. The one thing worse than making no deal is making a bad one.

Another example would be the Germans in the Eurozone. Everybody like the Greeks and Irish called them cheap and overly conservative. I'm sure they probably still do when the Germans refuse to give them all of the money that the Germans have and others don't.

I know most people won't appreciate what Morey does. Dicipline isn't flashy or exciting. People who threw away all of their money on trifles mistake it for being a cheapskate.

 

already posted this, but trade for d12 and then when LA is struggling at the trade deadline send him for bynum straight up.

 

We could get more than just Bynum if they're struggling. Not sure what I'd want though. Maybe Gasol + Bynum and then flip Gasol to some other team that needs someone to put them over the top (like Gasol in 08).

 

No way la struggles with nash at the point.. look for them to compete with okc for a title shot.. if the team stays as is...

 

I agree, but the condition he presented was that they were struggling. I think we'd be able to get both Bynum + Gasol if the Lakers are nose diving.

 

Nash
Kobe
Metta
gasol
Bynum

Damn!!!

I hate having laker fans as friends.. snobby d bags sometimes...

 

Who is their backup pg?

Not to wish anything bad on Nash, but the guy is getting old, and he will slow down eventually, and injuries often play a part of that.

So they better have a decent backup.

Not to mention, Artest has pretty much become a big zero for them.

Kobe has a ton of miles on him.

And I know Bynum is a RFA, but I have not heard where he wants to be, does he even want to be in LA any more? If he does, will the fact that LA has not/did not extend him.. that doesn't bode real well.

I think this is just going to be Karl Malone and Gary Payton all over again, a lot of expectations, and nothing to show for it.

Especially if DH comes here.

 

Nash at his age is still a top 10 pg.. don't they have that other white guy as backup pg.. forgot his name...anyway they are still better then most teams in the nba.. can't say that about us..

 

Steve Blake.

They're likely to add in Grant Hill backing up Ron Artest aka MWP.

Pretty nice 8 man rotation - if they keep the band together and add Hill:

Nash, Blake
Kobe
MWP, Grant
Gasol, McRoberts
Bynum

 

Excellent.

 

Stern didn't do what he did to slap the Rockets down; that was directed at LA.

 

Guys, do you REALLY see Dwight Howard walking away from an extra $30 mill??? We're not talking about a player determined to win like Kobe. We're talking about Dwight. Dwight guys.... he's not going to walk away from $30 mill. He just said those things to scare away the Rockets from trading for him because he knew he wouldn't be able to resist the extra $30 mill.

 

Don't know how reliable this guy is:

Magic reportedly "very close" to Howard trade

Orlando fans say this reporter is hit or miss.

 

This determines what the Rockets do. Get Howard, retool. Miss out on Howard, rebuild.

If Howard agrees to stay in LA for the long haul, then Bynum is gone, and LA gets headliner again.

If Howard insists on not signing an extension, then the Rockets cash in their assets and take a risk on the rental.

I still think Howard ends up a Rocket, and he will NOT leave money on the table next offseason and sign the contract with Houston.

 

I would be surprised if LA doesn't pull the trigger.

 

LA can trade Bynum and Gasol but does that excite Orlando fans? I think hope and faith is what drives fans during leaner times. Having multiple draft picks, young talent, and expiring contracts to get cap space might be the best trade bait. Gives the new GM some time and allows him to implement the "OKC model" that everyone thinks is the way to go and probably is what got him hired. Players that might be disgruntled after a trade a la Lamar Odom might not be the best thing. Both Gasol and Bynum have shown that they can be mental and not team players at times. Hennigan himself said he wants team players who want to be in Orlando. Houston has the assets, time to see if Orlando bites.

 

i woulda preferred to keep Klow... but ifhe's gonna b a disruption...fair value.....

 

This. No way Dwight leaves 30 mill on the table. Maybe some other player... But not Dwight.

 

I know Im a minority because I don't want the Rockets to trade for Dwight Howard. I do not want to give up the high lottery picks and our young talent for him just to have him leave this team in a season. The Rockets don't have anyone to keep him here. We don't even have a PG to play with Dwight in the first place.

Plus I hope they don't make a stupid off the wall trade for a Pau or Josh Smith just because their desperate. That would be the final straw of me not watching this team for the next few seasons. Why can't the Rockets just rebuild this team the normal way off the draft. Look, if they don't do well next season, they will at least give their young talent some experience and they will get a high draft pick of their own plus the Toronto Raptors pick. Please I just wish the Rockets aren't that stupid and believe they can actually convince Dwight he can stay here. Seriously, Dwight would much rather stay in Orlando where he actually have a PG to play with instead of a team with No PG, No centers, two wings and the rest Forwards...

 

Question for Bima, or NIKE, or Carl, or anyone else who has good knowledge of the CBA and union issues, things like that:

Assume Howard does get traded to Houston.

First, what is the actual likelihood that Howard walks away from the 25-million-plus he can get only from Houston?

Second, assume he does make his intention clear to walk away - it seems to me that the union might have something to say in private to Dwight about that, not to mention that his own agent would probably try to kill him.

Any thoughts on the union's stance toward such a crazy decision? Have there been any players, to your knowledge, who have actually turned down that much extra money in a contract for whatever reason, much less a pretty petty reason such as 'I don't want to be there'..?

Lastly, if Howard makes it clear to Houston management before the trade deadline arrives that he absolutely will not sign the max deal in Houston, the extra $ be damned, what then are Morey's realistic trade possibilities at that point?

And one last side question to that one: let's say Howard does go ahead and sign the max deal from Houston, which is, as I understand it, the only possible way for him to sign that max deal for that amount.. what THEN are the trade possibilities? As in, how long would we have to wait to trade him, what would he be worth in trade after having signed for the max, and who might be able to be trade partners?


I ask all this because it seems to me that there are three main variables to this Howard situation, and I am hoping to maybe get some clarity from you fellows who clearly know the most about it. They seem to me to be: 1) exactly how much will it cost us to acquire Howard? 2) (the BIGGIE) Will he stay? and 3) would we be able to get back in trade with someone else anything approaching the value we would have to give up to get him in the first place?

It just seems to me that the doomsday talk is not considering the fact that we can still get value for him ourselves if he decides to be crazy and not stay.

Oh also, at what point could he actually sign the max deal? Are there any advantages to doing that at any particular time, or any disadvantages to doing it at certain times as well?

Thanks guys, you make this place great!