[ClutchFans] Rockets trade Lowry, stay focused on Howard

That's just PR bull****, no way that's the reason. They just didn't want to pay up and never really wanted him back, just like they don't want Lee or Camby back. The desperate offer to Lin and also the offer to Asik or laughable. Can we bring back Rafer?

 

Or maybe just maybe he could turn out to be like Chris Webber when he was traded to the Kings and make us relevant again.

 

I can't believe this. I just read through 9 pages of mushy drivel expressing to Clutch how much you agreed with him, how much you liked the article, yada, yada, yada, and even those that don't want or don't believe Howard is coming here are 'respectfully disagreeing' with the article. Not a single poster in 9 pages of mushy drivel has the kahonas to tell Clutch he's off his rocker crazy for believing we are going balls to the wall to trade for Dwight.

What's wrong with you guys!?!?!?! Come on! I know you got it in you.


:grin:

 

We have enough assets to get Howard and more.

 

If the Rockets felt that he wasn't going to resign (as Orlando does now...) then why wouldn't they trade him? Some of the pro-Dwight people tell me "We could still flip him for more assets!" which I doubt because nearly every other team has dropped out of the Dwight race.

 

As much as I will miss Lowry, as he and Scola were/are my favorite Rockets, it would be nice to get a pick between 4 and 6 in 2013 draft. Plus we saved the $4.25 Million in cap room.

Now wondering what will happen next, mainly with Martin and Scola, I would prefer we keep Scola, but probably gonna trade him.

 

Look at NJ. Williams Wanted the money and all it took was trading for Joe freaking Johnson to solidify his stay.

Say for some crazy reason you trade for Howard and *gulp* trade for Boozer who's is just about as bad a contract as Johnson and is a near All star like Johnson. Could Howard be easily convinced like Williams?

Boozer could be given away for Martin and Scola and you go out and sign a Lou Williams or Brooks for outside scoring.

I know the sound of Boozer is just disgusting but who would have though Joe Johnson was so attractive to a star.

 

I wonder if Clutch played Morey in Poker during Vegas Summer league, who'd win?

 

Agreed with the first part. they dont want Camby. They dont want lee, the cound make the Lowry trade before and Lee still will be a RFA.
They sign lin only for the money
Rebuilding is a long process,

 

The $ amount of both offers from Phoenix and Houston were nearly identical. The main difference was the player option on the final year that Houston did not want to give that hung up the deal.

Basically if you can "see the forest through the trees" it has more to do with Dragic being tradeable then it does money over the life of the deal. Its pretty obvious given the current cirumstances the Rockets are in now. Asik... Big who can walk and chew....Tradeable... Lin... Definitely tradeable especially with a team option on the final year of his deal.

And you cant necessarily say that going after Lin had anything to do with them liking him any more than Dragic for financial reasons off the court. He was offered a very similar contract, and was gone after secondly. Given his marketing appeal and similar production one would assume Lin should actually be getting the first and most attractive offer from Houston to begin with. With the implications you are throwing out there about his marketing appeal one would think that the Rockets would just offer him the maximum amount available.

I think your trying a bit too hard again to push your agenda that Les is cheap that you cant see beyond any other possibility that might exist.

 

Because obviously morey has us so flexible so that we can attain one... and also because its easier to try and trade for a top 5/top10 talent than it is to draft one... it could take us multiple years in the bottom to even have a chance to draft one and not" to mention we would have to make sure he doesnt get disgruntled while we continue to try and get out the bottom and hope he doesnt demand a trade... plus les isnt gonna let us willingly tank...

 

This is an excellent point that I thought of and wanted to bring up as well.

I don't think many Superstars really rationalize contracts, cap space and who the best players/fit are. As fans we over analyze this and debate it no end but for a superstar if you throw them some good running mates even if doesn't make sense (fiancially, future flexibility etc.) It's usually enough to keep your superstar happy.

 

Word.

 

You have to remember these trades have not been consumated yet. So, this Lowry deal could mushroom into a much larger deal in the next few days. I keep waiting to hear we are talking trade with someone regarding Scola for either an expiring and a first rounder or simply cap space and a first rounder. As long as those deal are consumated no July 11, they can be aggregated together in different ways to create a TPE and take on more salary.

 

Its a good list, but Kyle is better than Curry, possibly Wall at this time and close to Rondo. I hope Raptors make the playoffs next year and we'll see him at his best.

 

Why stop at 8? We should be the first team in NBA history with only forwards on the roster. Centers will be too slow and guards will be too small against us. We will revolutionize the game!!!

 

Except it's actually more like an ugly very rich man asking that hot young girl to marry him. Take a stroll around the high-class establishments around Houston and see if that ever works out for the ugly guy.

 

Hmmm, not sure if serious although Magic Morey sounds better than Morey The Genius to me.

Agree 100%. Orlando did not do a good job of building a contending team around Howard and once the superfriends episode went down in Miami, there was no way he was going to stay in Orlando and live in the shadow of Lebron. But we disagree on Howard being an idiot because he could have been free to go to the Nets this summer had he not done what he did. That to me is the very definition of idiotic.

Firstly, I have never "lumped it all on Morey's head" - I have consistently blamed Les Alexander for allowing his organization to drift into irrelevancy. Morey's only been on board since 2007 and while I admit he fell into a terrible situation (thanks to Les & CD), he has yet to produce different results from CD. And that's something he has to own until he turns things around.

And I would kill to get a talent like Howard on this team to reverse their drift into nowhere. But at the same time, I don't want to introduce a cancer like Howard into this team of over-achievers because to me, that is just begging for trouble. If Howard was a true professional like Yao or Hakeem or Garnett, then I'd be in total agreement with getting this guy. But Howard is nothing more than a jealous, petulant child who wants what he wants when he wants it. And he's made it crystal clear that he wants NO part of Houston. I don't see how forcing him to stay for the sake of money is going to change his attitude or demeanor in the least. Maybe he'll come to love the seafood and BBQ and accept his circumstances but I highly doubt it.

I have to admit that after following the Rockets for over 40 years, I have never witnessed such disarray as what I see now. I mean, they have what? NINE PFs on the team and no experienced point guards? Offer sheets to a one-dimensional center who cannot score to save his life AND a PG whom they once had and then let go to keep the guys they just lost? Yikes! At this point all anyone can do is to hold on and hope for the best. But one thing is certain: it's going to be a very bumpy ride.

 

Kyle is not better than Curry or Wall. Not a single GM would trade Curry or Wall for Lowry. Those guys are both younger and much more skilled with way brighter futures. And Lowry being close to Rondo is laughable. Rondo is an ELITE talent and he's a top 5 PG in the game that shows up extra huge in the playoffs.

 

The only reason I want Howard is because I would hate it more to see him go to LA or Brooklyn. The superstar / all star pairings are getting ridiculous, there's now:

- Kobe, Nash & Bynum (some would include Gasol)
- Lebron, Wade & dinosaur
- Dwill & Joe Johnson
- Chris Paul & Griffin
- Melo, Kidd & glass knees

I'm probably forgetting some but it's getting out of control. That's why Howard to the Rockets can never work, with all the rookies surrounding him it's still not a good playoff team and I don't want us to become a Howard & Josh Smith team surrounded by scrubs.