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The unique nature of the Rockets package to Orlando

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by meh, Jul 3, 2012.

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  1. asmith8266

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    Sneak in there with Morris/Scola/Patterson (or whatever) for Pau.
     
    #61 asmith8266, Jul 3, 2012
  2. thekad

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    More like Lowry/Scola/Lamb.
     
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  3. meh

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    More than 20 games
     
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  4. digitallinh

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    News to thread.

    Horford can play defense - this means both guard stretch PF's and traditional C's. He can also score in a variety of ways with high basketball IQ. He makes a flat 12 million a year for the next 4, while we intend to pay Asik 8 -- one is a proven 26 age 20 PER , 15/10 player while the other has been a backup his entire career. Is a flat 12 a year for a proven all-star caliber center really an "albatross contract." Watch an Atlanta Hawk game, Al Horford is a potential superstar masquerading as a glue player.

    I think it is without question out of all the players listed, only Bynum is a better piece than Al Horford. Both players go above and beyond what you could possibly hope for when drafting a center in the lottery.

    With that said, the assumption is that Orlando likes our deal better because -gasp- this is the "OKC Way" (building through the draft), therefore our deal is better. But did you ask yourself the simple question - "Does Orlando even value our pickups?" It is one thing to offer a series of draft picks, but another entirely to offer players a team might or might not value.

    I enjoy the optimism, but in the NBA, 2+2+2 does not equal 6.
     
    #64 digitallinh, Jul 3, 2012
  5. TEXNIFICENT

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    So does your Eddy Curry => Brook Lopez still stand? Advanced statically speaking OF COURSE. I swear some of you guys don't watch the games.
     
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  6. meh

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    As as a 23 year old 3rd year player, he averaged 6.0rpg, and didn't revert back to form last year either. Just as you can cherry pick stats. Hey! So can I! At least my stat is more recent and has more weight. Seriously, how can a guy drop 2+ rpg game from his 2nd to his 3rd year? That's not exactly how you want your youngster to develop.

    He's a rare commodity because 7 footers who can't play PF but still exist in the NBA can all play defense. So yes, Brook Lopez joins Eddy Curry and few others as big men who play bad defense and have no knack for rebounding. That makes him look good for GMs like Isiah Thomas. Hennigan, IMO, is not a GM with similar taste as Isiah Thomas.
     
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  7. digitallinh

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    Kris Humphries.
     
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    Bynum and pieces would mean they're not that far removed from what they were with Howard. So I think that's ideal for Orlando.

    If I'm Morey, my offer has now been reduced on account of Howard is less likely to actually want to be a part of our organization, and because I think either you want me to facilitate a trade to get Howard somewhere else, or you're just trying to get a better offer from Brooklyn or whoever. I'm not wasting my time with that nonsense. You had your chance, Orlando.
     
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    If Lopez is so great why have the Nets been a worse team than the Rockets every year... and in what has been the weaker Conferance. If Brooke is so great whyhe has had zero luck leading his team out of the lottery? Not are the Nets annually in the Lottery with Lopez but they are annually legit contenders for the number 1 pick.
     
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  10. meh

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    I didn't respond to that post because a 5yr old can write better than that post.
    http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=6977745&postcount=172

    I'm glad that your watching NBA games has allowed you to analyze so deeply into Eddy Curry's eating habits. Wow, with that scouting report, I bet you can work for NBA teams. :rolleyes:
     
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  11. meh

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    Also, a note for people who talk about other teams having better offers. I'm not agreeing or denying with that. In the end, it's a matter of opinion on whether you think Bynum or Lopez being better than our group of players.

    This thread is suppose to be about how our offer is "different" from others, in that it offers a different type of benefit to Orlando. Whether that trumps what they feel they can get from LA or NJ or elsewhere, we'll see by the end of the offseason.
     
    #72 meh, Jul 3, 2012
  13. TEXNIFICENT

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    LMAO! Are you Eddy Curry's mom or something? Did I hurt your feelings?

    Eddy Curry is fat, unprofessional, waste of an NBA roster spot. I don't know in what universe you managed to compare Lopez to this turd.

    That's all the needs to be said. Oh and if you want a scouting report, watch a freakin game!
     
    #73 TEXNIFICENT, Jul 3, 2012
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    fixed.
     
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    I think you missed the point. Rebounding is almost a zero sum game. His per 36 numbers are almost irrelevant. My point is the drop off likely had more to with lopez sharing the court with better rebounders than any perceived regression. I'm not saying Lopez is a great rebounder by any means, but there's obviously a lot more to it than you suggest (common theme on this board.) Putting 5 15 rpg players will not necessarily create more rebounds (offensive boards not withstanding.)
     
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    Our trade situation is complex. The Nets and the Lakers can offer big men, what we will be offering is our backcourt (Lowry and Martin). Do we want to trade our back court and untested draftees and take on a bad contracts for a guy who may only stay a year, its a gamble. Whether our offer is better than the other teams depends on what Orlando is looking for. Maybe they want a big, who knows. We have not signed Dragic or Lee, Gordon or Lin, so trading our backcourt will depend on what they will be sending to us along with Howard.
    I wonder how many guys who have been on our team at least two years will still be with the Rockets at the start of the season. With the major changes that Morey has planned we will probably end up with a new team.
     
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    If rebounding was a zero sum game, then the stat itself is pointless. A true zero sum stat is minutes played. And no one judges a player by how beastly his minutes played are, unless it's coupled with him playing well at those minutes.

    Using this line of reasoning doesn't mean he's a good rebounder. Because you can flip it, and say he's horrible rebounder that simply had a lot of chances on a horrible team. If everyone else on the team doesn't play hard enough to rebound, then you get a bunch by default.

    So this line of reasoning by itself is hollow without context.

    You are speaking of hypothetical of course. But in reality, players rebounding stats don't really change. In fact, good rebounders always carry their stat from year to year, from college/Europe to NBA. Yao Ming had roughly the same rebounds every year 8-10 range despite playing besides Cato, JHo, Hayes, and Scola in his years here. Playing for 3 different coaches with different styles. Luc Lonley's rebounds actually went up the year the Bulls signed Dennis Rodman, ironically enough.
     
    #77 meh, Jul 3, 2012
  18. jscmedia

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    I have gone back and forth but have decided to come down on letting this deal go by. I seriously want to see what we drafted and what McHale does with the Big D too. The winter trade deadline also figures in my thinking. The next few days could change the whole damn picture anyway.
     
    #78 jscmedia, Jul 3, 2012
  19. W22_STREAK

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    the rockets offer is always "unique". and in the NBA, unique = bad. probably too unique for the GM of all other teams to comprehend. hence they all pass on houston's offer.
     
    #79 W22_STREAK, Jul 3, 2012
  20. ArtV

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    Hey that trade gives me a good idea. I'm going to cash in my 401k and throw a rockin 4th of july party on the beach with tons of ice sculpures and booze flowing.off them. Catch it in your glass or let it fall to the ground...who cares...tons of fireworks...it will be an awesome day.

    In the background I'll be playing Brewster's Millions.
     
    #80 ArtV, Jul 3, 2012
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