at least we had players that had a chance to get us where we needed to...its not on mgmt..its on the players...and they broke down...1 playoff victory speaks volumes on players...not mgmt...they put teams in a position to be 4-5 in the West for several years...and each year...early round exits...not on mgmt...they put together a team to win...its on players to get the job done...your frustrations are misguided and misdirected.
Is that verified that he got 30 million over 2 years? I thought it was significantly less than that. Also, late 1sts and 2nd rounders certainly helped the Spurs win a couple titles. Last, I don't think it is really Morey's fault. He has consistently tried to swing for the fences while not being allowed to tank. Part of the other reason why the Rockets haven't been able to tank is because of the great success Morey has had at finding solid role players thru the draft or small trades. If he was completely inept then this team would be in the ****ter and we would have much higher picks.
I wanted no part of the deal myself, but no doubt it would have been the huge splash fans have wanted to see from him.
You must be from Crank Yankers, right? Unless I am missing something, I made no claims one way or the other. I gave an example of what it might take to get someone of rational intelligence from the hater side to the Lover side. See DD's post to mine, he understood. I have no claims of Morey being great or terrible. I choose to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point so I am firmly in the middle until I see what plays out and have stated that repeatedly. Now, if you still feel like an idiot, Sylvan Learning Center can help you with that reading comprehension problem.
When the idea of getting Howard started. If they trade for Howard to play one season and we lose our young guys in the process, i'm done with Morey. This is coming from a Morey fan.
1. I don't think there's a market in America that has an NFL franchise and an NBA franchise where the NFL franchise isn't the "bigger deal." The NFL is a King Kong sized gorilla. 2. Win more than one playoff series in 15 seasons, and you might find it easier to sell tickets to the market. 3. I take very little solace in the fact that you're celebrating that this once-proud franchise is better than the Bobcats, Kings and Raptors. Great. If that's the mark, you should have no wonder why they have difficulty getting the city excited.
Morey had done nothing wrong or right that was big enough to change anything.... He just wasted too much time to achieve nothing.
Yeah, 18 years since we've been to the finals is hardly spoiled. We were spoiled in the 90's by Olajuwon, but since 97? Mostly pretenders and mediocre teams. I think if Morey was GM in the early-mid 2000s, we'd have been a lot closer to a title, but that doesn't really matter as the past is the past, and anything else is speculation.
Yeah, I bought my red t-shirt that says "IF WE HAD WON WE WOULD HAVE BEEN THE BEST" with a Rockets logo on it. It's totally sweet.
Totally agree, couldn't have said it better myself. Been here quite a while, never posted much until now, because I just couldn't stand the posters you've just described. Can't believe people still knocking Morey for drafting Dorsey or trading for David Andersen/Trevor Ariza (and overlooking his obvious success elsewhere), or pointing to Kwahi Leonard as the indisputable reason why Morey screwed up (as if you can pick the best player at your draft position every year without fail), or wanting to upgrade a team or calling players assets when we don't have a superstar and are not a contender and every GM calls their players assets, or giving all credit to RA for the only 1st round playoff success in recent years without giving credit to Morey for putting a contender worthy team together (with limited resources and low draft picks).
The only way Howard works for me is if we are set up for when he walks after the season to have a legitimate shot at Shabazz or Wiggins in next years draft or 2014. I am really not too keyed up on Howard at this point.
I agree that the NFL is king kong of markets...But the Rockets were competing against the Texans...who just started winning games...The Rockets should have maxed out on that market when they had a chance...The Texans are looking and shaping to be a really good football team... 2. Like i said before winning is not on the mgmt as much as it is on its allstar players...Mgmt put them in a position to win...but no one expected Yao to be made of glass...and TMAC's heart was made of plastic...Every year we were the dark horse...why ..bc we had the capablity to beat really good teams...bc we had balance...a dominant big and a dominant wing...but it was on the players to make it work...and they didnt... 3. I am just giving you examples of pathetically run franchises...whose fans have no hope...at least we have hope...and yes..be it just making thhe playoffs...the Rockets were doing just fine getting there...once they got there...its what they didnt do...that is leaving such a bitter taste in the mouths of fans... Lastly...The Rockets are now rebuilding...The tried using cornerstones made of sand and water...(Yao and TMAC)...it failed...Les and Morey tried patching it up...but nothing held it up...Last season the House was strong enough for a bit...and then collapsed...the foundation was just too cracked... Morey and Les will get this right...They have tried acquiring a star that they can build around...but right now...Nothing is available...Howard, Deron...dont want Houston...and there is nothing we can do about it...what we can do...is try developing the talent that we do have...and we do have talent...and they will have to go out their and prove their worth...GO Rockets
This. This is exactly the time frame for me and also the basic reason. The constant trading and never ending talks of trading about everyone on the team made me suspect that Morey might be really good with numbers and stock trading but had lesser grasp of the dynamics of basketball. I stated before that he was an excellent business manager for Les and an excellent assistant to a GM, but his training and experience are not suited to being GM of a basketball team. An example here are doctors who are relatively not trained and equipped for running health care organizations even if they are considered very smart. Health care administrators have the proper training and perspective and are proven to be better than doctors at running these organizations. Different training and expertise. So it is with Morey and basketball. Morey is indeed very smart, however, it is smarts honed and practiced in a different aspect other than basketball. The results are obvious proof of this.
What this boils down to is the guys who like the action of contract negotiations versus people who prefer more to be fans of the game. There is beauty in what Morey is doing from an asset management standpoint, but from a progressing the team forward standpoint, not so much. Some guys seem to like the former more than the latter. DD
Then it's up to management to improve the players. When it became apparent that McGrady and then Yao were finished, what has happened? Failed attempts at trades for players that don't want to be here. I said it earlier, every 1st round pick he's made that wasn't traded has had to spend time in the D-League...2 of which were lottery picks.
Absolutely, but I think the team having to use those 3 picks was a bit of a dud, they should have been able to trade Lowry, Scola or Martin to move up higher, IMO. DD
and everyone that is a lottery team...often dont hit...and very rarely when they get a gem...it changes their franchise...The Rockets are hoping 2012 is that year...Lamb, White and Jones...are by far the best "college players" we have picked ever...there is a decent chance that one of them might be a little bit more special... Nobody expected anyting from AB, Landry, Greene, Dorsey, Morris, Parsons, Motiejunas, But morey has done something with these picks...used greene to get martin. Dorsey was in a package that got rid of TMAC's contract...Morey has done something with picks that were busts...oh and his best one was Spanoulis for Scola...
Heres the bottom from the Morey criticism: Its not all about aquiring a allstar caliber player or winning a championship. Its lack of direction this whole "money ball" concept has shown us to get there. Morey's supporters argue its not all his fault, but I don't recall players hating Houston when we had CD. After 5 years of GM, we are in no better position to rebuilding 5 years ago. We have the most unbalanced roster in the nba & assets nobody's interested in. Morey (and the majority of CF posters) simply overvalue our players. In reality, we are atleast another 5 years from rebuilding
