Oh No Evil Socialisms! Free Education? SOCIALISTS!!!!

You realize "tea party" is a new label, made up a few years ago, right?

 

I just came back from the secret One World government meeting and they were talking about you, Hightop. It took all the thunder away from the new Amero bill we were designing and the snapshots of us in last month's May Day parade.

Ease off the John Birch or don't say I didn't warn you when the FEMA helicopters take you to re-education camp, take away your right to own a gun and force you to speak Esperanto.


Property is Theft,

Deji

 

That was brilliant. I might just spread some rep around so that I can rep this.

 

Not sure perhaps when you are doing research on this you can tell us. along the way you may find out the USA isn't so bad.

 

The USA isn't so bad. In fact it's probably pretty good, especially if you're not part of the most recent waves of immigration or an illegal immigrant.

My problem is how many people have to die and how much resources have to be stolen and how many hundreds of millions of people have to obey the system in disregard of their own will in order for you to get "not so bad".

I've always said, even if you ignore the atrocities committed to maintain US interests, you have to be pretty pissed off at how little of it comes back to you guys (the people). It's only when you compare yourselves like fools to colonial victim countries that you think you're doing well, but when you actually open your eyes and balance the global cost of achieving THIS return and compare yourself to the cost/benefit model of victors of World War II... it's pretty messed up. Either our kids or our grandkids or our great grandkids are going to swallow these costs in the form of retaliatory war or aggression, financial devastation, etc. and for what? For you to get "not so bad".

Whether you hate what I say or not, my intentions are FAR from anti-American. I vehemently believe that most Americans are getting screwed over and not getting what they deserve as well, even if they are better off than most. But since Americans are better off than most and actually have the access to power to change their own lives, their situation is far lower on my personal priority list. You guys don't face death everyday, you don't face mass hunger/poverty, you don't have an uneducated population to fall easily prey to rich indoctrinators, you don't live in fear of every word you type into every gadget, you don't have an economy based on a resource that's being looted and will be obsolete in the not-so-distant future. Serious problems. **** that keeps me up at night. The type of problems that led to the emergence of revered American revolutionaries. I assume you didn't mind them fighting their colonial masters? But many have forgotten those lessons.

So yeah, you're right, it's not so bad. Like when you get an iPhone, it's not so bad, until you realize how much it costs. But that won't stop some people from being Apple fan boys, and to bridge the analogy, these costs won't stop some people from being patriotic fan boys of "not so bad".

But at the end of the day, I see us on the same side, having 99% of our problems with the same group of people, who also consider themselves as having 99% of their problems with us. If you want to mark me as the enemy, that's entirely your choice. I don't have a problem with you unless you don't want the best for your country.

 

And nothing you've said here indicates that college remains necessary. You don't need to go to college to paint if you don't give a damn about employability, nor is there anything about what you described that can't be learned in an high school. I've had high schools teacher who have been just as influential and important in my life as college professors.

We already have universal education. In a world where resources and money are limited, I think it's a better idea to improve the universal education we already possess rather than needlessly expand it and grant it as a means for people to just go around and "discover themselves" or some junk like that.

Running around being some terrible painter is one thing. Running around being a terrible painter at the expense of the United States is a completely different thing. As the graphic at the beginning stated, education is an investment, and the United States should hardly be expected to invest limited resources so that kids with art degrees can bum around and sell a couple paintings here and there.

 

We won't agree, because I personally consider it the government's duty to pay for everyone's education with extremely loose controls, regardless of the likelihood of return on that "investment". I know this is not a popular view.

Like I said, in the context of America 2012, you are absolutely correct.

 

What's just plain funny about that statement to me is that it reminds me of a character from a recent show I just finished watching, and so I'm bored enough to fire a question which that character was asked:

Do the people ever have an obligation to sacrifice for their country?

 

This statement stands as one of the dumbest things I have ever read in regards to criticism of the USA.

 

Yes, I want to tell you whom you can marry, force your daughters/wives/mothers/sisters to have babies, and who can have access to the means of gaining success. I want to be able to ensure Children are not taught to question what they think but instead be indoctrinated with good, wholesome, godly thinking that you approve of.

Oh wait....these are the goals of the collectivist right. I guess that makes them all socialists.

 

Is this her?

Spoiler

 

Who cares, if the U.S. is falling behind, some other country will pick up the slack. The world as a whole will continue to progress (barring nuclear a holocaust). As global entities, corporations will just move to the country that is the next #1. Invest as much as you can and don't worry. Only the color of your money will change and perhaps the skin color of the people who spill their blood to oil the capitalist machine. Once you finish leeching, rinse and repeat.

 

I think we're in a golden age. There'll be a day when the world will not be such a pleasant place to live for most. Probably not our lifetimes, or even our children's lifetimes, maybe not for a few hundred or even thousand years.

But humanity isn't capable of organizing itself on a global level unless the threat is existential. Massive poverty, pollution, animal extinction, global warming, overpopulation, and the return of disease are all marching forward right now with every step we "progress", and by the time we get around to dealing with it, it will be way too late to prevent incredible hardship on a massive percentage of people. We'll survive and advance of course, but not without a lot of pain and suffering, and what results might not be what anyone can anticipate or imagine.

People forget that civilization is only 10,000 years old in life's history of 1 billion years, and human history of at least a few 100,000. 30,000 years from now will there be nations? Will there be multiple intelligent species? What sort of wars will be fought? Will organic life even be the most intelligent life on the planet?

When you think in these terms, the issues we face now are very trivial and will likely not even be a footnote in the history of humanity when all is said and done.

 

Will the quality of education be any better if it is free?

 

There are a variety of answers to this question, depending on how you define "country". Could you be a bit more specific?

 

I'm against state marriage licensing and pro-liberty. Liberals are not.

Also - parents should decide what their children are taught - not the coercive state government school monopoly.

 

Why don't we let children decide what they are taught.

Personal LIBERTAY?

 

The could have a voice in the in choice of free market school they attend (rather than compulsory zip code-based government school attendance). That sounds good.

 

Government-subsidized education need not be government-run education.

We have food stamps, but we don't set up government grocery stores for them because that would be dumb. Yet that's exactly the way we run our education system.

 

Oh really.

Because, you know, the children having to be directed by their parents, isn't that an affront to personal liberty?

I think we let the kids decide. The kids could have a referendum on what school system THEY want.

The tyranny of age WILL NO LONGER STAND. No Gods, no kings, and no parents, ******* it.