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Has LBJ now surpassed Kobe?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by roslolian, Jun 21, 2012.

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Has LBJ surpassed Kobe in the "Greatest after MJ" list?

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  1. roslolian

    roslolian Member

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    WTF? Who the hell would say this except Kobe homers? No unbiased person would say this, because Kobe got all first 3 rings relying on Shaq to dominate the first 3 quarters. Everybody agreed Shaq was the best player on that 3 peat, so why will they suddenly turn around and say that Kobe was better than MJ?

    Its not the same thing with Lebron, he's always been the best player on all his teams.
     
  2. roslolian

    roslolian Member

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    Yeah, could everyone please stop comparing Lebron to inferior players? Dirk winning a ring and Rose winning an MVP does NOT equal winning 3 MVPs and posting historic PER averages.

    Seriously, if Dirk won 3 MVPs, defended the other team's best player and outdueled TD in the finals then yeah, I'd say he could make a case for one of the greatest PFs ever. Same thing with Rose, if he did all the stuff that Lebron did then you could say he's better than Stockton as well.

    But Dirk and Rose don't have the individual accomplishments Lebron has, Lebron has no relation to the two of them. What will it prove if Dirk isn't better than Duncan or Rose is worse than Stockton in relation to Lebron passing Kobe? Not a ******* thing, they're all different players with no connection to each other.
     
  3. gmoney411

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    Do you not remember how good Chris Bosh was in that Bulls series? If Wade was willing to take more of a facilitating role a Heat team with prime Kobe would have beat those Bulls.
     
  4. gmoney411

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    Lebron didn't really out duel Kevin Durant in the finals this year. Durant averaged 30 pts with ridiculous shooting percentages. The reason the Heat won is because their supporting cast stepped up and the Thunder's didn't.
     
  5. Icehouse

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    Dirk won 3 MVPs in a 4 year span? He had better numbers than everyone else in the game?
     
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    lebron got durant into foul trouble and dominated the boards? and he helped his supporting cast step up by attracting double teams and passing them the ball? what did durant do to help his team except scoring? stand and watch westbrook and harden iso? lebron did so much more to help his team than durant did his team.
     
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    Only an idiot who judges individual careers solely on team championships would have suggested that 24 year old Kobe was ever going to surpass MJ.

    Kobe had played six years in the league. Do you know what MJ had accomplished by the end of his sixth year in the league? How about four seasons averaging over 32 points per game (and four scoring titles), four seasons shooting better than 50% from the field, a 63 point playoff game on the road against arguably the best team in league history, six all-star appearances, a ROY award, a DPOY award, a regular season MVP, four 1st team All-NBA, three 1st team all-defense, and having already been declared the greatest player in the league by Magic Johnson.
     
  8. Steve_Francis_rules

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    Lebron did as much on the defensive side of the ball as he did on offense. By Game 4, the Thunder were trying to hide Durant defensively by putting him on Mario Chalmers.

    Durant had a combined 11 rebounds and 4 assists as his team was losing games 2-4. (For comparison Lebron had 36 rebounds and 20 assists over those same three games.)

    Lebron really did out duel Durant throughout the series except for those two great fourth quarters Durant had in the first two games.
     
  9. blink

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    since the NBA is more than just scoring, lebron is the better player. even in their primes. it'll just take 8 more years before the hardware catches up so the critics can shut up.
     
  10. Air Langhi

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    Durant averaged 30-6-2
    Lebron average 29-10-7

    Durant was more efficient scorer. That is about it. Lebron rebounded, he passed, he defended he got the other team in foul trouble.

    If you are going to tell me durant was as good as lebron, I don't think I was watching the same series.

    Lebron has led his team in pts, rbs, assists,and steals this year and last and he did that in Cleveland too. Could Kobe do that?
     
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    I never thought Kobe was ever going to surpass MJ. But I'm sure many of us have engaged such an argument with someone back in those years. Luckily as Kobe passes his prime, most people realized how stupid that was.
     
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    LeBron did the same thing and served as his teams PG, top rebounder, main post threat until Bosh came on, and top defender (when necessary). He also had several big 4th periods whereas Durant had a fantastic game 1 and then sort of tailed off.

    He pretty much did everything except sell popcorn and take tickets and clean the locker room. I can show the gamescores & stats but it's not even close - Durant was superior in Game 1 but that's about it; it's like saying that Shaq more or less matched Hakeem in 1995. He scored his points but that was it. Hakeem was on another level.
     
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    He WAS the best player in that playoff run. But he was never a 3-time MVP nor in the conversation for best player year in and year out. All that talk was hype. Lebron's talk isn't hype. It's a confirmation.
     
  14. roslolian

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    Durant had one more pt than Lebron. Lebron had 4 rebs and 5 more assists per game. What do you mean LBJ didn't outduel KD, he dominated him. He also guarded everyone who had the hot hand, him and Battier were switching up and taking everyone from KD, WB and Harden all game long.
     
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    he is alot more dominant than kobe it right now. All around better player since kobe is declining with age
     
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    Lebron actually didn't get Durant in foul trouble. Durant was making a lot of stupid fouls that had nothing to do with holding Lebron. In the games he got in foul trouble he had several charges and other stupid fouls that weren't caused by him holding Lebron.
     
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    Nope, but neither could lots of other former NBA players that I would take over Lebron.
     
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    Durant also had a great 4th quarter in game two that was erased by a no call. If the other players on the Thunder make some wide open shots, especially Harden, it is a completely different series. It makes the Heat's job a lot easier when nobody but Kevin Durant can score efficiently for most of the series.
     
  19. GeneValgene

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    yea today lebron far better player than kobe...but i still think kobe has the better career as a whole thus far. we shall see where lebron goes from here.
     
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    One more point but got that extra point and the rest of his points in a ridiculously efficient way. As for the second part, when did Harden have a hot hand besides the first half of game 2? Was Lebron slowing doing WB when he was lighting them up in game 4? Durant was the only Thunder player that was consistently hot one the offensive end and he stayed that way the entire series. Harden and the rest of the Thunder just didn't do enough.
     

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