Is it fair to judge Morey on wether he hits the "Home Run" or not?

Well, after getting over mainly not drafting a center, i sat back and realized that it's possible they hit a home run with this draft.

 

If the pitcher didn't throw the ball to you . . . i think that means you are not in the game. . .

Rocket River

 

Most of the time it seems he make the right moves. But somehow it does not make us any better. This year is his last shot. Either we make the playoffs or Morey must be fired.

After having three different coaches you have to blame someone else. And you cannot fire the owner.

 

Even though Rockets seem like they have no direction right now, I trust Morey to make this team better. If Morey for some reason was fired and Les kept with his no tank idea then I would honestly lose all hope in the team.

 

Exactly. And it takes 2 teams to play the game and at least 2 GM's to make a deal.

 

Feel sorry for the pessimists or feel sorry for those that think Morey has some sort of charm spell over other GM's?

 

Perfectly stated. How many years do we have the same conversation where people praise Morey for his shrewd small moves and say he's been a great GM while the team continues to miss the playoffs? The proof is in the results. When does Morey's grace period end? And since when do we want a "solid" or even "good" GM? We want a championship, so we want excellence. All of that said, this conversation is premature, considering free agency hasn't started. Does anyone really think the team will go into the season with this group of rookies and no major trades/signings? Doubtful. Let's see what happens.

 

Heres the problem. First off, you guys have been hyping Morey for 3 years saying things like "In Morey we trust". When he makes a moves you guys percieve as good, he's the best GM ever (according to clutchfans). When he has a major setback, in which he's had plenty, all of sudden it's "not his fault" or "these things take time". As much as I dislike Morey I think it's his fans who give him the platform to keep underachieving each year. IMO

 

Apparently it's not fair to judge Morey at all.

 

Whenever people talk about results I always bring up the OKC situation, because that team spent around 6 top 10 lottery picks to get where they are now, and they started out with Durant and Green as well as massive capspace on Day 1.

Are you going to turn around and say that their GM was horrible, they had one of the most unique players in history and capspace yet continued to suck for 4 years straight, where is the results in that?

The fact is, you can make great moves and still not see a result in wins, because there's a ton of factors which can result in a horrible team record. In our case, the 14th pick is the result of always turning over personnel as well as injuries to key players , if you look at the quality of players on the roster though, only a moron will say DM has not done a good job.

 

Its perfectly fine to judge Morey. But the thread title is about "Hitting that Home Run", and that he cant be judged for because its not a matter he alone controls.

If he had passed on opportunities to get a superstar, yes. Had he broke the bank for a guy undeserving or incompetent of building a team around, yes. Has he done these things? No.

If you want to judge him in other areas, do so. In another thread.

 

I guess the question is, what time frame are we looking at here? At what point is Morey accountable? Are searching for superstar or balancing payroll? Teams like Portland had bad luck too and they've done what it's taken Morey 3-4 years to do.

 

If i see on espn one more time where it says "Sources say Rockets and Fill in blank NBA team are engaged in heated discussions for certain rockets player"…. Then the next day to see "Sources say Rockets and Fill in the Blank NBA teamtalks have fell apart in 12th hour of discussions"…

anyone curious why every trade discussion always "falls" apart… does anyone think Morey over values our guys TOO much and won't part with them because he thinks we should get more in return? something has to be going on for EVERY trade for our 3 big contracts to always fall apart..

 

Again . . . no one will put a time frame on anything Morey Concerned.
If you have a good idea the 14th pick won't do nothing . . trade the d*mn thing.

I am still not 100% on Morris or even PatPat
mainly because I think their development comes on the coaches as well
but
JVG, Adelman and not McHale cannot all be poor poor player developers, correct?

If a baseball player keeps striking out . . . he cannot complain that the other pitcher is not throwing over the plate

Rocket River

 

The vast majority of non top 10 picks dont do anything. How many top 10 picks has Morey had to work with....

Trade it? Sure. Except everyone else knows the 14th pick most likely wont bring anything either, so what you get for it wont be much help.

Time frame? Lets see.....how many team each year dont win the championship? 29

How many dont get to the finals? 28

How many dont get to the conference finals? 26

How many team have never won a championship? I dont know, but quite a few id imagine.

How many GM's would not have a job if put on a time frame to get to the finals? All but a handful.

So the question becomes, time frame to accomplish what? In this context, its what Les wants him to do. Les wont let us tank or rebuild in conventional fashion. So Morey must not only rebuild, but do it while staying competitive.

How many times have other teams tried this? How many succeeded?

Its not that I think Morey is perfect or shouldnt be held accountable, but you must weigh what his boos wants him to do and how he wants him to do it and gauge this against others trying to do the same thing.

If not this criteria, then look at how many teams have gone from mediocrity to stardom WITHOUT resorting to some form of tanking or having timely injuries to key players that then return AFTER drafting a superstar.

Morey has had the worst of all worlds to work with. Most teams would have at least scooped up high draft picks after losing not 1, but their 2 best players not to return. But no, instead of sinking to Charlotte level play, we remained decent, even good at times. So where is Morey supposed to get the resources to infuse our lost superstars?

There are only 3

1) trade
2) draft
3) FA signings

1) Who would argue we havent tried in earnest 1) ?
2) Les's need to be decent cost us any high draft picks, so we are supposed to find star talent at #14 or #12? Maybe.
3) What FA's havent we tried to sign? Seems like every one of them. But they end up else where. Its Moreys fault they dont want to play here?

 

Look by now its fair to judge anyways stay in Houston after 5 years on the job. Its judgement time now. He either has a plan or he doesnt by now. Nobody really cares about the excuses at this point. I see the players points against Morey and our organization currently building up against Morey. If we have gained some sort of bad reputation around the league? It was Moreys to fix and uphold. He needs to start uplifting the organization this year. Its no longer time to hold his hands anymore. Sink or swim.

 

Agreed