I don't doubt that he has a very high ceiling, perhaps even future all-star potential, but potential franchise players don't fall to 16. Even if he improves all of those things, he won't be the best or close to the best in the NBA in any of them (in the way that Lebron, Durant, Duncan, Kobe are) and won't have the size (like Dwight) to create problems. Like I said, I'm not down on him, just down on the fact that we didn't come out of this with a potential franchise player -- also down on the idea that most of these young guys won't get a legit shot at playing next year.
According to Jonathan Feigen in his chat right now, assets can have assets "Jonathan Feigen: His ceiling is higher than "solid." I don't like to use the word 'great' often. He can be special since he has such an unusual combination of skills and assets. "
I've watched a lot of those games,show me the play in traffic I'm reffering to. Look, I've never said he'd be a bust or anything like that and I do like his bbiq. At 16, he was good value even for a team loaded at one spot. I think him being drafted makes it easier to play morris at the 3. In the end, he's a niche' player. Guys like him are either solid or out the league soon. If he works on his jumper to the point he has 20 ft range off the dribble,that one thing. He has potential to be like anthony mason who was a pretty good player. Thing about when mason played,the game was much different. We will see. Crash, you said lamb was like durant? What makes durant,durant is that he's almost 7ft tall. Lamb has a lot of physical offensive traits,but he's not oversized for his position. His arms mke up for his average height,but saying durant like is crazy. Jmo
I'm remembering a line from Karate Kid where the old man tells the kid "your focus needs more focus". Maybe CD told DM that "your assets need more assets"
Slow down with that. I think you have your posts mixed up. I'm not even sure I've commented on Lamb. I've certainly never compared him to Durant.
If he didn't make his anxiety issues public, he would have been a top 10 pick and there's not many "experts" out there who would disagree with me on this one. His skillset is top 10 talent. Nobody is denying that. It's his own doing that he went 16th overall. He chose to speak out about a problem he has to make the public aware about it and to help others. There's numerous guys in the NBA who have the same issue but they don't publicize it like White. They put too much on that. As far as "but potential franchise players don't fall to 16" goes, that is a completely asinine comment. Not all of these guys are/were franchise players, some were, but some good ones for example (and notice the hall of famers, including Petrovic. Yes he's a HOFer in the Naismith HOF): Clyde Drexler - 14th overall Steve Nash - 15th overall Al Jefferson - 15th overall John Stockton - 16th overall Ron Artest - 16th overall Shawn Kemp - 17th overall Danny Granger - 17th overall Joe Dumars - 18th overall David West - 18th overall Zach Randolph - 19th overall Michael Finley - 21st overall Rajon Rando - 21st overall Arvydas Sabonis - 24th overall Andrei Kirilenko - 24th overall Vlade Divac - 26th overall Dennis Rodman - 27th overall Tony Parker - 28th overall Gilbert Arenas - 30th overall Rashard Lewis - 32nd overall Carlos Boozer - 35th overall Manu Ginóbili - 57th overall Drazen Petrovic - 60th overall And many more. Also, I could list a boat load of top 10 drafted players who never did ANYTHING in their careers too on the converse. How about that? Just because you're drafted top 10, doesn't mean you're going to be amazing or even have the potential to be a franchise player. Tell that to Michael Olowakandi or Sam Bowie.
Good post. Though, I'm well aware of the history of busts in the top 10 and gems outside of the top 10. For your list, the only ones who even merit consideration as franchise players are Drexler, Stockton, and Nash. And PGs do not win you championships -- or even make you serious contender, otherwise CP3 would have been to multiple WCFs by now -- without another very high level or HOF level player (ex: even Magic needed Kareem). Those are a lot of very good players on that list, but in reality Clyde Drexler is the only one that could carry a team to the finals. That's 1/23 guys on your list. Again, I am not here to knock Royce White. But at this state of the franchise we are just cycling through average to good players, and my money is that he will be at best good but not great. I think it's blasphemous to even consider that he could be a franchise player right now, and frankly I was hoping with a lot of other people here that we would come out of this draft with a potential franchise player one way or another. I'm not content building a team that can make the playoffs but doesn't have a real chance to contend for titles.
Number 4 is off the right foot. Impressive. Deceptive speed is appropriate. If anyone wants clarification on that, check out Houston's very own, Arian foster.
Royce has potential to be a franchise guy. Will he get there? Doubtful, but his ability is noticeable.
Does he? I said it in another thread but he looks Dejuan Blairish in some regards. His lack of athleticism will be a factor in how high his ceiling rally is... DD
Once drummond was out the picture, I really wanted henson. He has great pedigree,long athletic,and has some offense right now. I though henson @12 then come back and get lamb who I think would've been there at 16. Then at 18,bpa. I. Could imagine mchale working with a long,gangly guy like henson.
Out of this list MWP sticks out the most. Not only are both selected 16th overall, their strong bulldog playing style are so eerily similar as well. Both have good handles, both are kinda of weird (one is crazy, the other has anxiety issue), the list goes on and on...
He just needs to lose weight target weight around 260 and he can be a beast...his ability to pass for a big...is what is so damn intriguing...big men passers...are one of the rarest talents...and every one of them has had a long and fruitful career...
I think in this day, it's harder to find a franchise player and when they are found, they are more out in the open. A lot of people are traded now, even when they're amazing. LeBron James could have easily been a "franchise player" for Cleveland, but was traded. Kevin Garnett was considered a franchise player in Minnesota, but he was traded to Boston and now the "franchise player" part isn't even in most peoples' minds. Also, from that list, Drexler, Stockton, Sabonis, Petrovic, Rodman, and Dumars are all in the Naismith Basketball HOF. Also, Willis Reed, Tiny Archibald, Hal Greer, Alex English, Gus Johnson, KC Jones, Harry Gallatin, Calvin Murphy, Jack Twyman, Dennis Johnson, and Bill Sharman were all 2nd round picks who are now in the HOF. I know that's not your MO about White, but I think it's absolutely frivolous to judge a player by where he was drafted. Some people just get much better with time, and others' skills weren't correctly judged by NBA scouts. It happens in pretty much every major sport in America quite a bit. Too much emphasis on one thing, not enough on another. Some franchises obviously are more notorious for it than others.
