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SCOTUS and Affordable Care Act

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by justtxyank, Jun 25, 2012.

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What will the SCOTUS Rule

  1. Strike Down the Entire Law

    21.4%
  2. Uphold the Entire Law

    23.8%
  3. Strikedown key components of the law, but allow the rest to stand

    40.5%
  4. I abstain, courteously.

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  1. Major

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    This is a perfect example - we already have this for hybrids (or had it, before it was phased out). Outside of semantics, there's no difference between:

    * Tax credit for buying a hybrid

    vs.

    * Tax anyone without health care

    vs.

    * Raise everyone's taxes
    * Tax credit for buying health care

    You're essentially paying a tax because as someone who is insured because you're costing the system money.
     
  2. cwebbster

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    Government Mandated Hiring Freeze!!! Good luck to the Unemployed, your chances of finding a job just got worse.

    No one cares about Small Businesses.
     
  3. Major

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    You don't pay a tax to a private company. The tax is the penalty for not buying insurance - paid to the federal government.
     
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    It means that seperation of power and the limits of the federal government were clearly on Justice Roberts' mind when he wrote the opinion. I have to head off, but rest assured that you will find in your reading a reasonable limit to the ruling.
     
  5. Major

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    You mean the true small businesses that are exempt from any requirements? Or the less-small businesses that get oodles of tax credits for providing insurance that they weren't getting before?
     
  6. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Did not see this coming, especially from Roberts. I think perhaps the sense that the country was beginning to see the Supreme Court as a political institution weighed in on Roberts shoulders. It is his court that will be remembered in history, and the Citizens United decision is still very controversial.

    I am still surprised, I really expected Roberts to vote the other way. Kennedy was clearly going to vote against it based on oral arguments so I was sure this thing was a cooked goose.

    A big win for everyone except Republicans. If this can do what Romneycare did for MA - we will all face lower premium increases - finally.
     
  7. Amel

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    You are 100% correct.
     
  8. rocketfan83

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    So for someone 1099/self employed that carries no insurance now by choice is this good? I haven't read the bill.
     
  9. Major

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    Depends on your definition of good and what you want. This is what will change:

    1. You'll have access to better insurance and better insurance information (and a more competitive market place), and won't be able to be denied for insurance

    2. You'll have to get insurance

    3. Depending on your income, you may get subsidies for the insurance.

    So in a general sense, if you wanted insurance, you'll be better off. If you didn't, you probably won't be. But the rest of us will be better off because, if something horrible happens to you, we won't be footing the bill anymore.
     
  10. Hightop

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    He owned people by being wrong?

    You are clueless.

    Was Obama right or wrong when he said that this is not a tax?
     
  11. sugrlndkid

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    I think the estimated amount for the government mandate is about 5000.00(maybe more...i have to read about the initial mandate)...
     
  12. sugrlndkid

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    The issue is that...as the justices have pointed out...that there is no way that the Feds can enforce the penalty...i guess...we'll still be paying bills...
     
  13. FranchiseBlade

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    I guess it's good. I was kind of hoping that the mandate would be struck down, and then it could be amended with a single payer system that would have been far better.

    But those are some huge 'ifs'. No way to know if that would have been able to happen.
     
  14. mc mark

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    Baby steps

    The law will be tweaked as we see over time what needs to change. I believe we'll get to single payer eventually.
     
  15. Major

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    John Roberts:

    Congress’s use of the Taxing Clause to encourage buying something is, by contrast, not new. Tax incentives already promote, for example, purchasing homes and professional educations. … The Affordable Care Act’s requirement that certain individuals pay a financial penalty for not obtaining health insurance may reasonably be characterized as a tax. Because the Constitution permits such a tax, it is not our role to forbid it, or to pass upon its wisdom or fairness.
     
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    Exactly what I was getting at earlier. Thanks for posting this.
     
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    The French gabelle, a salt tax, at one time required that French citizens buy an annual minimum amount of salt. Surprised I never heard the conservative idealogy make a comparison of the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) to the French gabelle. They slippin'.
     
  19. rhadamanthus

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    For all those complaining that this is a new "tax"...you've already been paying this tax for decades...

    It's also amusing to note that every part of this bill polled well...except the mandate. Which, of course, is what pays for it.

    So deliciously american, I must say.
     
  20. mc mark

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    Wonder what Rush is talking about today?

    :grin:
     

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