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Trayvon Martin

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Rocket River, Mar 10, 2012.

  1. Granville

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    So there is no audio tape to support any of that?

    They are trying him for Murder in the second degree to appease a lynch mob.
     
  2. giddyup

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    John Dillinger always went for a Slim Jim and an Orange Crush before holding up a bank....
     
  3. QdoubleA

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    I love how for the third straight time you abandon a ridiculous point you made without addressing how I've pointed out how foolish it is. Keep on moving the goal post pal, that's the way to win!
     
  4. Granville

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    Where is your evidence to disprove all or any of it?
     
  5. JD88

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    Here comes Texxx playing the "race card" as he criticizes everyone else for.

    If those are in fact Trayvon's tweets, that's unfortunate. However, there is a huge difference between words and words leading to murderous actions. There's also a huge difference in maturity when it comes to a grown ass man and a high school student. Obviously, Trayvon wasn't a golden child, but for all of his middle fingers and alleged tweets, he should still be alive and GZ should be "patrolling" from his window.
     
  7. Major Malcontent

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    I thinks those tweets are very important! Because if he spoke in slang, used foul language and cut class he deserved to DIE!

    Thank you Zimmer"man" for your great service to your country. Can't wait to get you back on the street with your gun to put a cap in another one.

    I just hope those extensive injuries you suffered when fighting for your life against the evil thug won't cause you to hesitate next time....you know "they" always get away...when they aren't stopped permanently by heroes like you.
     
  8. Refman

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    Did TM have a troubled record? Yes.
    Was TM familiar in the neighborhood? No.

    So...what do we really know? We know that TM was visiting his father. We know he went to the store and bought Skittles and iced tea (an odd combo). We know that he was walking back to his father's house when, at some point GZ decided to follow him. We know that, at some point, TM reacted violently and was killed.

    What we don't know is whether there is any evidence that TM was doing anything illegal or suspicious to warrant any of GZ's behavior. If this was unwarranted, then GZ should go down for manslaughter and play cowboy in prison.

    What I cannot understand is why nobody is asking the most important question...why does all this crazy stuff always happen in Florida?
     
  9. HI Mana

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    <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/NWojvo6RKoQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
  10. rdsgonzo13

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    No. They are trying him for murder because he shot an unarmed 17 year old to death. There is no dispute about that fact. He's admitted it.

    They are trying him because self-defense is an affirmative defense where the burden of proof is on the claimant. They are trying him because his story is inconsistent with much of the physical evidence and witness statements.

    They are trying him because the spirit of the self-defense doctrine is for people to defend themselves when they are threatened, not when people provoke violence through their own bad judgement and poor personal choices.

    They are trying him because he claims he was yelling for help 50 times while he was being suffocated by Trayvon. That is physically impossible.

    They are trying him because he knows the names of all of the residents in his neighborhood but in a neighborhood with only 3 street names, he told them he had to get out of his car to "see what street he was on". That's an obvious load of bull$hit.

    They are trying him because during the renactment he points to the BACKS of the set of townhouses and says "I turned here to get addresses".

    They are trying him because he claimed to the police after the shooting that he got out of the car at the behest of the dispatcher to track down an address. The problem for him is that the recorded 911 call shows the dispatcher never made this request.

    They are trying him because he told police officers Travyon was circling his car and that this scared him, but that he got out of his car anyway to follow him. He had a clear opportunity to avoid the confrontation and made a personal choice to decline that opportunity. This is radically different than a case where an intruder breaks into a home and the homeowner has no opportunity to avoid a potentially deadly confrontation. He had every opportunity! What is so hard to see about this?!

    They are trying him because he told police he was returning to his car to meet police since he told the dispatcher to have the police officer meet him at his car. The recorded 911 call has him on tape saying "have the officer call me when he gets here and I'll tell him where I'm at" immediately after the dispatcher suggested they meet at the mailboxes. Clear evidence that George's intent was NOT to remain in the same spot.

    He didn't want to admit that he continued to pursue Travyon, but his statements to the police and in the reenactments make it clear that's what he was in fact doing.

    When you have a homicide of a 17 year old who was on his way home, doing nothing out of the ordinary, and an admitted gunman who's self-defense explanation is full of inconsistencies and holes, it would be ridiculously inappropriate to not charge him with at least Manslaughter. The notion that it is to "appease a mob" is absolute garbage. The judge himself has already conceded that the evidence against GZ is strong.

    Here's a solid breakdown of how remarkably inconsistent George's police statements are with the 911 call. I'm quite sure Angela Corey thoroughly cross-referenced the two before deciding George was lying and when she made that determination, she knew it was time to file charges

    http://globalgrind.com/news/george-...in-video-compared-police-emergency-call-video
     
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    No his tweets merely show he was more apt to confront an individual then avoid one. It also shows he hates white people.
     
  12. giddyup

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    Are you kidding? Read through this ramble until the end and you find out that in the analysis the phone log thought to be DeeDee's was actually for Trayvon's phone.... now REVISED:

    "So, putting these potential controversies aside for the moment, what can we glean from DeeDee statement, beyond the two main points noted well above? Alas, not much. Her wording is vague, and de la Rionda either fails to press her for details, or is unable to get clarification. It is abundantly clear that she has no sense of time passing, and relates some things out of order. She would appear to place Trayvon putting his hoodie on at at least three different times. But that's typical of all the witness ataments and 911 calls. People do not recall and relate things in strict chronological order. .... Nor does her account give us any reliable indication of position or direction of either TM or GZ at any point. The most confounding element of her statetment is the ambiguity of her repeated references to "from the back", ..... We know that Zimmerman left his vehicle at 7:11:48, told the operator he was following TM at 7:11:59, and that he had lost sight of Martin by 7:12;12. [less than 30 seconds-- at most]

    Eyewitness testimony is not considered reliable. Not sure why GZ (or any suspect) is held to a different standard. They are not observers; they are participants with perceptions heightened and distorted by the anxiety of participation.
     
  13. rdsgonzo13

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    http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/21/2860569/zimmerman-told-police-trayvon.html

    How can anyone objectively look at the police tapes and think the dude isn't lying or at worst seriously exaggerating much of what went on that night?

    The detective pointed out the clear inconsistencies in his story compared to other objective evidence...
     
  14. giddyup

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    Yes. But then he changed his mind and decided to simply walk in the same direction. Surely that detective understand that a man can change his mind, right? Just like when I first decided to rob the bank, put a gun in front of the teller's face and ask her to give me money, then when the police come, I then changed my mind and decided I was playing a practical joke on the bank teller. I mean, I changed my mind, after all, so I shouldn't be charged with robbery.
     
  17. giddyup

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    I believe this refers to the point where GZ exited the vehicle (after he had lost sight of TM) and went to the side of the building to get the street number. At that point he was not following TM, he was complying with the request of the 911 operator for a specific address yet the lead detective seems to want to put words in his mouth. Of course, in the main, GZ was following TM to keep eyes on him not to slay him.
     
  18. vlaurelio

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    howlong has zm lived there? how many streets does that neighborhood have?
     
  19. giddyup

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    What does that matter? His focus is on TM not what street he's on. It's dark. He's distracted. What does it matter anyway except you guys want to convert it into a lie of some sort to further disparage GZ.
     
  20. Rocketman95

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    I would think a good neighborhood watchperson would have a very good understanding of the neighborhood's street naming and numbering convention. And if you're calling 911 to report someone, you should probably have an idea of where you are, especially if you are calling as the neighborhood watchperson.
     

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