ESPN: Rockets talking trade-up with Kings, Raptors -- targeting Dwight or Drummond?

Jay,

You are only willing to say he will go 14. Talk about not being willing to go out on a limb. I'm saying 15 or lower. And you're saying 14. Get out of here.

 

Doesn't that only apply to future 1st Round Picks? Why does it have any bearing on the 1sts we own this draft?

 

Although Dream was probably a 21 year old freshman.

 

You're going to be out of about $100

 

This draft is happening in the future, no?

 

I may be. And all it means is there are some GMs in the NBA that should not have a job.

 

Not likely.

Signed,
Hakeem, Micheal Jordon, Sam Perkins, Charles Barkley, Alvin Robertson, Otis Thorpe, Kevin Willis, Micheal Cage and John Stockton. Class of 1984

 

amen brother.

 

No, this is the current year draft. Pretty sure that rule would apply to the firsts we own in 2013/2014.

 

If it's just two straight years, that's rough. Definitely a hurdle.

 

We already know this to be true.

I completely agree with you on drummond, but also know for a fact that there will be at least 1 GM every year unable to resist "potential" like his early in the draft.

 

If a draft has not happened yet, it's in the future. Anything that's not in the past and isn't happening this very moment is in the future. The 2012 NBA Draft happens on Jun 28, 2012. June 28, 2012 is in the future.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q84

 

What is it with Drummond that makes people here want to bet everything they have for him? LOL, I understand you need a star type of player, but Drummond isn't a star type, he's a boom-or-bust type of guy.

In the financial world, we would call guys like Drummond junkbond deals: there's a high return, but also a high chance of default. You don't pay a premium for those deals, because the risk outweighs the reward. What you pay a premium for are the blue-chip stocks, stocks of companies like google or apple who are basically guaranteed to make tons of money.

Its the same thing here, why would you waste a top 5 pick on someone with high bust potential? Top 5 picks should be reserved for guys with both high ceiling and low bust potential, total risks like Drummond. You want high ceiling guys in the top 10? Then by all means go for it, Mayers Leonard, Harrison Barnes and Lilliard are all such high ceiling guys, and unlike Drummond they have actual tangible production to their name.

Drummond has motor issues, and from what I can see he has improved 0% from last year, when he famously worked out with similar high risk-high bust prospect Hasheem Thabeet and tweeted that he was getting clowned. Do you know why he's dropped all the way to number 5 despite having the 2nd highest potential? Its because he's looked unimpressive in workouts, teams bring him in based on his impressive combine ranking and then see his stick-like figure, his lack of bball fundamental skills and come away unimpressed.

Maybe DM and his team see something there, I definitely give them the benefit of the doubt. However I would be sorely disappointed if we do get this dude (or PJ3) based on the evidence available to the public.

Let me just leave everyone with this question though: Has there ever been a player who had both motor and work ethic issues who became a star in the NBA? We've had guys who had work ethic issues like Shaq, Cousins and Melo (who's still the same player the Nuggets drafted several years ago), but those guys have killer instincts and have buried guys in college and in the NBA. We also have guys who have motor issues who tend to disappear like Bargnani and Gasol, however those guys have added skillsets to their game over the years, and they have still become decent players over the years.

However a player who is both lazy and has no passion for the game? What are the chances of that guy becoming a star? LOL I keep trying to think of someone like that who reached his potential, but I can't think of anyone. Probably Rasheed Wallace, but that guy was pretty polished coming out of college, this dude has no skills whatsoever.

 

Totally agree! With picks 5 and 8 we could take Drummond at 5 and then we have plenty options at 8.

Could go with: Lillard, Lamb, Rivers, PJ, Waiters, or even Barnes (if he slips)

 

CH, I think you're scaring people needlessly.

Deals happen all the time during the days immediately leading up to the draft. It's just that they cannot be officially CONSUMMATED until during or immediately after the draft in order to comply with the Stepien Rule.

For instance, the Rockets, Kings, Raptors and Magic could agree in principle to any slew of trades among them, with the understanding that the trade could not be announced until after the 14th pick (or, if Orlando's pick is involved) the 19th pick is officially announced by David Stern. After that, the Stepien Rule would no longer apply to those picks.

But you know this already.

 

If Morey has the chance to trade for Dwight AND have the cap space after to sign Williams, who's made it public he doesn't care about money and he wants to contend (with Dwight).

-Get Dwight here with enough space to sign Williams.
2) Convince Williams to come play with Dwight who isn't old like Dirk.
3) Howard has to re-sign as long as the Rockets have playoff success and Deron is here.

Remember the Rockets can give up a lot and still win if they get Williams to sign.

Howard / Camby
Scola / Morris
Parsons / Budinger
Dragic / Lee
Williams

 

It complicates things, though. What if another team steps up with a better offer for Howard in the meantime-- you'd hope everyone keep their words, but is a "deal in principle" legally binding? Also, having this unconsummated deal might give Dwight Howard's camp a chance time to make extra noise to try and blow the deal up. Anyhow, maybe I am paranoid but after what happened with the Gasol trade I am leery of unconsummated deals.

 

He's a top 10 pick. No way he falls out of the top 10.

 

man, if morey can pull this off, he better get inked to a new 6 year deal.

pity it wont.

but its real fun to discuss anyways

if we do get the picks, its gonna be awesome when we flip them for dwight howard. the rockets have been torturing us ever since the departure of ron artest, with, yep u guessed it, 3 f@#@ consecutive years of 14th picks.

I'd give anything to Orlando for DH12.

And we get maximum value for Kyle Lowry who is worth nothing to us other than probably a Keyon Dooling to us right now.

Lowry for the 8th pick

14 + 16 + Dallas pick + Budinger for the 5th pick

Then trade

Scola + Patterson + 5th pick + 8th pick to the Magic for

Dwight Howard

Dragic
Martin/Lee
Parsons
Motiejunas
Howard

that team owns the Lakers right now.

 

Man, I would hate to see you on a first date, then.