Walking while black is not a crime and neither is defending yourself from being pursued in the dark by a strange man. Actually we do, GZ exited the vehicle after admitting to following TM and according to the girl on the phone confronted TM after chasing TM between two buildings which is where GZ admits the fight took place. FAIL . I don't need any evidence to disprove that. FAIL Because the unarmed minor he was pursuing in the dark is dead at his hands? That's a pretty good indicator. Back on ignore, not sure why I bother.
lol a lot of dodging and twisting of the truth. The girls on the phone did not conclusively prove that GZ started the confrontation. ....and just b/c TM is dead doesn't mean that he didn't aggressively attack GZ and GZ acted rightly in self-defense.
Why would a black kid try and beat up a police officer/security guard, when he was trying to get home and watch the 2012 All-Star game with his brother. It also supports TM's case that all of this happened during half-time of the All-Star game BTW if TM was gonna commit a crime, wouldnt he have tried to rob the store he bought the ice tea and skittles from. That makes more sense than trying to beat up a security guard
My emotions. Let me get this straight, I'm pointing to discrepancies/holes in his story and my emotions are governing what I'm saying? You're stating this while BigTexx blatantly panders about race trying to get a rise out of people... hmm. Zimmerman absolutely does need to prove that there's reasonable doubt if he wants the charges dropped. His word isn't "fact", it's his recount of events which has changed or has major holes in it. You're right, you are legally innocent until proven guilty. It doesn't mean that we all need to agree that he's innocent until the jury sentences him. You're basically stating that whatever Zimmerman stated happened should be accepted as he's the only surviving witness - I'm sorry, but that's ludicrous.
If I am walking and keep noticing the same guy following me and watching me with interest, I would consider that to be aggressive. You say that GZ was trying to reduce crime in his neighborhood. What specific crime did he witness TM commit to justify his pursuit?
If somebody was tailing me, at some point,mi would confront them. I seriously doubt that TM saw GZ taking a leisurely stroll behind him and went from zero to ass kicking in no time flat. That explanation simply makes no sense. GZ simply decided to play cop and it ended poorly.
Just to follow up on this post but its been noted already a few times in this thread that self-defense is a positive legal defense so there is a burden of proof from Zimmerman. The prosecution has a duty to make a case against Zimmerman but Zimmerman's side also needs to make the case in the first place that he did act in self-defense.
The "innocent until proven guilty" thing is overblown in this case. George Zimmerman shot and killed an unarmed teenager. Those facts are not in dispute. This is what you would normally think of as the kind of thing a court needs to prove. GZ is claiming self defense. Since we know the kid is dead, and we know he died because GZ put a bullet in his vitals..the burden of proof is now shifted. Did he have cause to do it. We'll see...
So he was following a minor with his car in the dark and then got out of his car to walk behind a minor in the dark as he looked for a street name in a grassy area between buildings away from the street where presumably street signs are located?
According to this Chicago Sun Times article, the state has the burden to prove that Zimmerman's shooting was unlawful and the standard is beyond a reasonable doubt. Zimmerman will be given the opportunity to prove by a preponderance of the evidence that he acted in self-defense at a preliminary hearing, which would end his case before a trial even occurs.
The funny thing is if this was a Black Officer that shot an unarmed white teen going home to watch a Nascar Race. The same people supporting Zimmerman would be supporting the white kid( and the protest in the streets would be even BIGGER) Nothing about this case needs to change other than the skin color of Zimmerman and TM, change those 2 things and not only is the security guard or officer or whatever he wants to call himself in jail for life he would be stripped of his duties, and charged with 1st degree murder. And im sure "SOME" blacks would take the side of the Black Officer as well. It just goes to show you that race-relations are still effed up in this country To everybodies credit their were many whites supporting TM in this case. The fact still remains that a kid lost their life over nothing. No crime by the kid was being commited to my knowledge other than from Zimmerman who many in the neighborhood were complaining about even before this tragedy. So his word is as good as nothing to me
....and you're tossing out the race card. Can you please try to think critically instead of the intellectual laziness of just assuming people are racist? You have no idea whether GZ was/is racist or not. Then you start tossing out crap like "well there are some "good white people" who side with TM". What? We need more facts to determine whether TM wasn't in fact the aggressor in this whole mess. Remember GZ's story, witnesses and scars support that position. I really just get sick of the intellectual laziness from some people who just assume racism is the cause of this. PLEASE
Well GZ's myspace page from a few years back was attacking blacks, muslims, and latinos( illegals). So we have something on his background history
