So what you are doing is using Kobe's stats when he had less talent around himself and then comparing them to Lebron when he had more talent around him. Kobe's 3 pt attempts dropped when the team got better and Lebron's 3pt attempts were higher when his team was worse. You are trying to look at those stats in a vacuum. People like to talk about Lebron attacking the basic but in the 04-05 year Kobe was getting to the line 10 times a game compared to Lebron's 8 times this year. And to answer your question there is a chance they beat out the Grizz for the 8th spot. They would have needed 46 wins in a pretty good western conference which is possible. However, I think Butler, Odom and Lebron is a bit of a redundant lineup so I have my doubts.
I also forgot to add in that I think the Lakers would have had a real good shot of getting in that year if Kobe didn't get hurt that year and miss 16 games.
When has Kobe ever had stats as good as what LeBron dropped this year, regular season or playoffs? He's scored more points on a worse % at that. LeBron just led his team in points, boards, assists, steals and shot 50%. He shot 53% thos season and 50% in the playoffs. He was the team's primary wing defender (didn't have someone else to handle that role for him as Jordan and Kobe did) and guarded positions 1-5. He just grabbed his team 10 boards a night in the playoffs. Kobe has never had a season or postseason as impactful as the one LeBron just had.
When did I say Kobe had a year as good as Lebron did this year? You are responding to a conversation where i was arguing against him calling Kobe a chucker. Over the course of their careers Kobe is averaging 25.4 pts on 19 shots while Lebron is averaging 27.6 pts on 20 shots. Both players over the course of their careers took a lot of shots to get their scoring totals. Lebron's career true shooting percentage is 57% for his career while Kobe's is 55% and it has dropped over the last three years when Kobe has clearly been out of his prime. Lebron had an absolutely dominate season this year and you won't get any argument from me about that.
those comparisons are semi laughable..... Lebron could even play PF for stretches.... he is a Power SF more overpowering than Artest Compare him to a SG?
LeBron already has 3 seasons that are indisputably better than anything kobe has ever done and a few more that are arguable. The efficiency #s arent even close.
Statistically, Kobe was and will be NEVER close to Lebron. Simple as that. Kobe reg. season career: 25.4ppg, 5.3rpg, 4.7apg, 45.3%, 1.5spg, 0.5bpg, 23.4PER Lebron reg. season career: 27.6ppg, 7.2rpg, 6.9apg, 48.3%, 1.7spg, 0.8bpg, 27.2PER Kobe playoffs career: 25.6ppg, 5.1rpg, 4.7apg, 22.4PER Lebron playoffs career: 28.5ppg, 8.7rpg, 6.7apg, 27.1PER Lebron leads in EVERY statistical category but 3pt% and ft%. And you can say Lebron's defense in his career so far is more dominant than any point in Kobe's career. Lebron is simply a better all-around player period. Now let's compare them to MJ: MJ reg. season career: 30.1ppg, 6.1rpg, 5.3apg, 2.3spg, 0.8bpg, 27.9 PER MJ playoffs career: 33.4ppg, 6.4rpg, 5.7apg, 28.6 PER. What Kobe has over Lebron is rings. And rings account for a lot to many people in terms of a player's legacy, and rightfully so. It's a team game, and rings represent the ultimate greatness every player wants to achieve.
''prisoner of the moment'' 'knee jerk thread'' ''impulse threader'' slow your frikkin role, ur embarassing urself
Lebron has been in the league for 9 great years, man. How is it a knee jerk reaction? This iteration of Lebron, if you've been paying attention, is greater than any season Kobe has had. And the scary thing is, Lebron is getting better. Losing last year like he did to Mavericks was the best thing that happened to him. It increased and accelerated his growth as a player.
To Lebron's credit, he has taken a team coached by freakin' Mike Brown and Spoelstra to multiple championships. Kobe didn't sniff a championship without Phil Jackson.
?? And if you mean the Finals...the East at least before this year has always been more competitive. Remember that LeBron's record vs the West in the finals is still only 6-7. On the same token, PJ never sniffed a championship w/o a historical SG. I know I'm going against the LeBron/ Heat bandwagon right now and I don't care. People need to put this championship into perspective
Ehhh those numbers are a little skewed since Kobe's first couple of seasons were ineffective. Lebron came right out of the gate in his first season.
If anything I'd discrediting Jackson, whose always been more of a player relations coach than a X and O genius. Goes to show when you match the right talent together and it clicks, a dynasty is born. Wade is top 25 all time easily, and Bosh is damned good, and both are bound for the HOF. What LeBron is doing is impressive, but nothing new. Good for him for winning, but the next few years will determine his place among the greats, not this one championship
Wow, this quote just show the lack of basketball knowledge you have. Are you kidding me??? LBJ carried a "sorry ass" team to the Finals???? This Heat squad is one of the greatest teams ever assembled. They have three All-Stars, three big time role players in Miller, Battier and Haslem, and potential future All-Stars in Chalmers. This is NOT a sorry ass team in any way. Wade, Bosh and Lebron will likely be future HOF and currently are tops in their positions. You can argue that LBJ may be better than Kobe but you can't deny the current Heat squad is much stacked compared to the squad Kobe had. The talent alone is just incredible for the Heat. Kobe didn't jump ship when Shaq left like LBJ. He stayed and presevered. Kobe didn't have another superstar guard to share the scoring/defense burden with him when he won his first ring post-Shaq. Yes, Pau was a great player but he was a soft player and had sketchy defense. But the team made up for that and they played incredible team ball with precision passing and team defense. Don't go there...don't go there. Unless Lebron can win a ring on his own...I don't buy it.
A bit of a revisionist history. After Shaq left, Kobe threatened to leave the team, and b****ED big time.
Did he leave? No. So it's not revisionist history. Did he b****? Yes. He only did that to force management to improve the team since they have big holes to fill after Shaq left and a bunch of players from the first champ squad retired or got traded away.
