Royce White in serious play for the Rockets at 14 and 16

I'd be really happy with a Royce White + Waiters/Lamb pickup.

I'd be great with any of Jones III, White, Waiters and J.Lamb. To a lesser extent, I'd be cool with Ross, Marshall, T.Jones, Leonard or Henson.

I'd be unhappy with Rivers, Zeller, Teague, Sullinger or Harkless.

 

The younger posters are depressing, alot of #13 picks would've killed to have had Corliss Williamson type of career in the NBA. 12 years is a long time and actually being a decent player/actual starter is nothing to scoff at. Pretty good post player and a decent jump shot with ok defense. If Williamson's career sucked, then I think it's safe to say that there a greater number of suck-y careers at the 13th spot.

13th picks after Williamson:

96-97: Kobe Bryant
97-98: Derek Anderson
98-99: Keon Clark
99-00: Corey Maggette
00-01: Courtney Alexander
01-02: Richard Jefferson
02-03: Marcus Haislip
03-04: Marcus Banks
04-05: Sebastian Telfair
05-06: Sean May
06-07: Thabo Sefolosha
07-08: Julian Wright
08-09: Brandon Wright
09-10: Tyler Hansbrough
10-11: Ed Davis
11-12: Markieff Morris


If Marcus Morris, Patrick Patterson, or Donatas Motiejunas could have a Corliss Williamson type career, then I'd be ecstatic.

 

Those are the team's he's been projected to go to on Draft Express, NBAdraft.net, and the last Chad Ford 8.0 mock draft. In the WalterFootball site, he's fallen to 30th (Golden State). Another team that could use a player, like him.

Atlanta and Dallas are good fits for him, so is Chicago (if they decide to trade Deng) and Golden State.

 

You'd really be ecstatic if DMo comes over and has a Corliss Williamson like career? That's a pretty low bar for a word like ecstatic.

 

Not really when you consider DMo can easily turn out to be the next David Andersen.

 

I still think it is. Let's say you buy a lottery ticket and you end up winning the $2 prize instead of the big jackpot. Are you ecstatic because you won $2 when most people don't?

 

Perhaps you should lower your expectations. How many people REALLY win the big jackpot???

Out of that list there's one true Jackpot in Kobe and a number of good players that had solid careers and role players equivalent to what Williamson was. Also in that list are some busts that aren't even in the NBA anymore.

It's highly doubtful Royce even gets picked at the 13th spot so historically speaking the odds aren't even as good as I'm giving him.

 

haha i don't understand everyone flipping out over the "he is scared to fly" stuff…

Did iowa st basketball team drive to all their games this year? i'm sure they flew and he looked like he did just fine this season.. let's not overreact

 

I don't think so. Andersen came over when he was 29. A more NBA experienced Andersen at the very very least.

 

You are assuming there is no middle ground. I would be ecstatic if DMo has a Richard Jefferson career just like I'd be ecstatic if I didn't hit the jackpot but won a couple of thousand dollars.

 

Oh wow the Royce Whites of the world really have me swooning over their talents. Morey is teh genius.

 

What does age have anything to do with whether you can play or not? Andersen couldn't play in the NBA. We will see if D-Mo can or can't.

Luis Scola was 27 nearly 28 when he came to the NBA.

Arvydas Sabonis was 31 when he came to the NBA and had a very productive career.

 

The middle ground is CORLISS WILLIAMSON. A solid NBA player. That's my point. Richard Jefferson at the height of his career averaged 22/7/4 and was a borderline all-star. The average NBA player isn't that good.

Like I said... lower your expectations.

 

Corliss Williamson sounds about right but isnt that a slightly off comparison? I am not sure Dmo is like but I might consider him similar maybe Danilo Galinari or maybe at the low end a David Anderson type.

 

I don't think you understand what feeling the word ecstatic is suppose to describe. Most people aren't going to be ecstatic over something that is average. I would be satisfied if DMo has a Corliss Williamson career but I would be far from ecstatic. FYI Richard Jefferson is in between bust and superstar so that puts him in the middle ground.

 

We just don't need another tweener who has an actual fear of flying. He may be an NBA player, but we already have solid SFs and PFs who are NOT afraid to leave home. I will be very disappointed if we draft White. Of course, I will be very disappointed if we don't find a way to acquire Drummond or Leonard. Either may be a bust, but there is a better chance either may be a star. We have enough role players.

 

You don't even make any sense. I don't know why you're comparing DMo to Corliss Willamson. They are completely opposite. I was originally comparing Royce to Corliss.

Also, there's many different levels between a Bust and Superstar.

 

I'm comparing the two because the guy I responded to said he'd be ecstatic if DMo, PPat or Morris had a Williamson like career and I disagreed with his use of the word ecstatic. If you don't know why I'm saying Williamson then you should have probably taken more time to read the convos before you responded.

Yes there are many different levels between bust and superstar. Some levels in between will leave me satisfied, some disappointed, and some ecstatic. You are talking like RJ was a nine time all star and made multiple all nba teams when in fact he never even made an all star team. For me to set my bar for ecstatic at a player of his caliber is not me having super high expectations.

 

HAHA you said DMo can EASILY be like Andersen, big freaking hoo and I find that highlarious.

When Andersen was the same age as Motiejunas he was playing the Italian league and put up 8.2pts a game playing 21.5 min with 5.5 rebounds a game Motie put up better numbers a year younger than him. But hey, DMo will EASILY be like Andersen... yeah lets go team.

 

Does it make more sense to set the bar higher up to the level of say Andrea Bargnani (1st pick), Pau Gasol (3rd pick), or even Dirk Nowitzki (9th pick).

First, many scouts have set the bar that high for Motiejunas, but posters have failed to weather the expectations with his low end or worst case scenario comparisons. Second, he was not drafted terribly high (20th overall pick). He isn't necessarily dominating overseas. It's not an indicator for success or non-success in the NBA. There was a reason he was only taken 20th overall versus top 10.

I don't think I've ever seen a 20th or lower pick come into the NBA with exceptional expectations. It would be somewhat ridiculous to do so, given the draft position or the possible lack of NBA ready skills, maturity, or ability.

Motiejunas could turn out to be David Andersen-like and he wouldn't necessarily be a colossal bust, since he wasn't take that high in the draft in the first place or is even highly touted.