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Lesson in a song for Scott Brooks: " Too much Derek Fisher will kill you everytime!"

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by pacmania, Jun 19, 2012.

  1. A_3PO

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    The Mavs, Lakers and Spurs are completely different teams than what the Heat are presenting. Playing two bigs (one being Perkins) is a losing formula. If they play two bigs together (except for maybe the beginning of the game), it should be Ibaka and Collison. Perkins can only guard Haslem but Spoelstra (very smartly) has rarely played him this series.
     
  2. pacmania

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    they played small ball against Dallas, Lakers, and San Antonio?:rolleyes:

    small ball meaning a lineup of Westbrook , Fisher , Durant, Harden and Collison.

    who guards gasol and bynum in this lineup or duncan and splitter?:rolleyes:
     
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  4. pacmania

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    Lebron, Battier, and Bosh is not a small ball lineup.
     
  5. pacmania

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    He has rarely played two bigs together in this series so its hard to say. But Boston took Miami to seven games with Garnett and Bass.

    Dallas last year had Dirk and Chandler. I agree though that Ibaka and Collison are the best frontcourt combination for them.
    They did build a 17 pt lead with Perkins/Ibaka and Perkins/Collison in the first quarter.

    The miami heat are not really small because Lebron, Battier and Bosh are big and tall.
     
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    D-Fish Maaaynnee!!!!
     
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    The reason why I'm cheering for The Heatles? derek "douchebag" fisher.....
     
  8. sugrlndkid

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    Really shocked that Collison didnt get more PT...after a stellar job of the bench...IMO...Perkins is absolutely right...when Miami's defense is stretched and poorly rotated...leaving a PG trying to guard a center, it becomes the PG responsibility to note that and get the ball inside...Perkins is extremely hard to move around in the post and can rebound...and Im sure that he atleast has a jumphook in his arsenal when he has a PG on him...
     
  9. pacmania

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  10. JayZ750

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    Brooks appears to be outcoached here... though I wouldn't say it makes him a bad coach necessarily.

    For one, he outcoached a number of very accomplished and smart coaches on the way to the Finals. The way they flipped that San Antonio series still boggles the mind. The Spurs game 2 performance was as well orchestrated a team performance as I'd seen in years.

    For two, it's convenient to only look at certain stats. Let's not forget that the same starting lineup for the Thunder came out in the 2nd half and were -7. Moreover, Fisher was +4 in the fourth quarter, and I believe the Thunder were up when he was taken out of the game and replaced by Thabo, who was -6 in his stint.

    Point being that it isn't all about Fisher, or all about the starting lineup always being great.

    But that Brooks is still being outcoached.

    The obvious seems to be that the Heat need to score in the paint to be successful. They don't have great bigs. Seems like a no-brainer that Brooks should be playing his frontcourt guys a little more.
     
  11. LCAhmed

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    Reggie Jackson played pretty well from what I remember. I know hes a rookie, but didnt he fill in for Maynor when he got injured?
     
  12. swyyyguy

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    if we had fisher, we would have made the playoffs.
     
  13. Kim

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    It is interesting that both teams are playing smaller ball in this year's finals: PF, SF, SF, G, G. I think this will be the first year in a while that the winning team will have such a closing lineup. Generally, it's been a PF and C, or at least 2 legit bigs.
    2011 - Dirk Chandler
    2010 - Gasol Bynum/Odom
    2009 - Gasol Odom/Bynum
    2008 - KG Perkins
    2007 - Duncan Horry/Oberto/Elson
    2006 - Shaq Hasleem/Walker/Zo
    2005 - Duncan Horry/Nazr
    2004 - Ben Wallace Sheed
    2003 - Duncan Rose/Robinson
    2002 - Shaq Horry
    2001 - Shaq Ho Grant/Horry
    2000 - Shaq Horry/AC Green
    1999 - Robinson Duncan
    1998 - Finally
    Jordan and Jackson's Bulls played G, G, SF, F, PF. Rodman was definitely not a center, but guarded centers and Kukoc is more of a SF than PF...was a slasher/shooter/scorer, not rebounder.

    So not since the Jordan era has an NBA team won a championship without a legit C-PF combo closing lineup in the finals. Dallas crushed Miami on the boards last year, which imo helped them take control of the series. We see a lot of these 50/50 balls going Miami's way...I just think Brooks could be making a mistake choosing matchups and floor spacing over a Ibaka/Collison or Ibaka/Perk front line. Rebounding/interior D over max floor spacing imo. Especially an Ibaka/Col/Dur/West/Harden or Thabo lineup...that's easily spaced imo.
     
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    I could win too, if i played with a prime Shaq, and Kobe Bryant
     
  15. A_3PO

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    You have a very bad memory.
     
  16. pacmania

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    The main reason they were favored to win over the Heat is because of their superior frontline defensively. Its fairly obvious they would not have reached the Finals playing a lineup of Westbrook, Durant, Harden, Fisher and Collison against Dallas, LA, and San Antonio.
    It is also very tiring to play against taller players because you have to out-jump them for the rebounds. There were so many rebounds where someone just taps it over the head of fisher and the thunder don't get the crucial rebound.

    Also, durant and harden have a hard time getting into an offensive rhythm because they have to do a lot more on defense. They are likewise more prone to getting into foul trouble.

    The numbers actually add up: considering the playing time of OKC's frontline of Ibaka (27 minutes); Perkins (17 mins.) and Collison (17 minutes);
    OKC was playing with two big men on the floor for only 27 minutes.
    In a 48 minute game, that means there was a span of around 21 minutes (48-27) where they were only playing with one big man.

    this 21 mins. is approximately the amount of playing time given to derek fisher (22 mins.).
     
  17. TheFreak

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    Blaming the coach is usually a simpleton approach to analyzing an NBA game.
     
  18. pacmania

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    What is your complex analysis of the NBA game? May we hear your expert analysis of the merits of playing Derek Fisher 22 minutes and benching frontcourt players to accommodate his playing time?
     
  19. t_mac1

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    So he didn't adjust to the Spurs, and that was why they won?

    This series isn't won/lost on coaching. Both of these coaches are mediocre.
     
  20. pacmania

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    He did brilliantly against the Spurs, Lakers, and Mavs which is why it is so disappointing he would deviate to Small Ball and bench his frontcourt players.
     

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