Obama Tacitly Admits He Was Involved in Fast & Furious

Running guns? Obviously no, but did he authorize the program or worse the cover up? Why not just fire the idiot Eric Holder?

 

I see you've edited out about three straight posts to take your bigoted words out of your posts -- it kills you that a black man is the leader of the free world. Burn him at the cross... your words repub minstrel.

 

Ahh you were listening to right wing radio too. I heard them say the same thing and explain how indirectly by proxy he admitted involvement. Seems like a real stretch to me... Kind of weakens a possible ripe scandal by finding some remote logic to conclude Obama knew about it. Why do republicans shoot themselves in the foot by exaggerating everything... You FINALLY have a potential scandal, go with but embellishing it only hurts you... This happens every time.

 

Fast and Furious was a program designed to supply the Sinaloa drug cartel with weaponry to defeat Los Zetas in their turf war in Northern Mexico. The situations surrounding the death of Jaime Zapata confirm this as does the testimony of Vicente Zambada-Niebla in court. The F&F program was a guns-for-immunity trade that enabled the cartel to ship huge amount of drugs to the United States. Another potential benefit in F&F was to make the case for gun control, although this wasn’t the main thrust. Sinaloa has concentrated influence in two key places in the US – Chicago and Arizona. The cartel impacts funding, security, and politics in both of those places. There is a reason why Obama/Holder are hiding information and there is information that is in the hands of Oversight already (which gave them the confidence to push this in an election year). We will see explosive allegations if Holder doesn’t produce the documents by Wednesday. The Democrats are panicked over this, and Issa and Chaffetz are not backing down. This White House and DOJ are filthy and it's about to be made known.

 

For all those who have not previously paid attention, note the chicago/arizona connection, obama, SCOTUS, and recent manouvering.

Schiit's about to get real.

 

Many of the documents that Holder and Obama will not turn over involve handling the public fallout from the disclosure of the Fast & Furious program. Once again, Obama is obsessing over his reelection, prioritizing that far above doing the right thing and actually leading this country.

A gag order was initially put in place, which the complicit among the mainstream media adhered to until Sharyl Atkisson at CBS disobeyed (and was strongly admonished by the WH). Supplementing the gag order was the tried and true Distract-Intimidate-Marginalize media tactics that were used against the birthers to suppress media coverage of that issue. Expect to see a big news story before the weekend, to keep F&F from headlining the Sunday talk shows, and expect to see accusations of Republicans being overly political. I would also expect to see a death or two in the coming days of people who can be informants (Intimidate). This may have already happened with the recent murder of El Chapo’s nephew. Delay is the third strategy being employed on F&F – the thought was to have Holder stonewall/stall as long as possible (18 months) before invoking executive privilege, which of course will lead to a prolonged court battle which will extend beyond the elections in November.

As with everything, the overarching, #1 goal in every issue that this Administration confronts is reelection. The national security leaks that endangered our SEALs and caused us to lose intelligence assets in Pakistan is another example of prioritizing reelection/image over our country. Everything is political. No leadership, no vision for America’s future, no making tough choices, and a total obsession with the media’s portrayal of everything (and daily attempts to control coverage). We don’t have a leader in the White House, we have a campaigner presiding over the most partisan administration in history.

 

It's really not. You follow the same propaganda that you're fed on Fox. I feel bad for you.

Admit that you can't accept a strong, competent, minority leader already. We see your flaws. The first step for you will be admitting your intolerance for minorities, the poor, etc...

It's okay. Therapy is available.

 

I think it's important to get a couple of facts straight about the program. It was started by the Bush administration, and ended by the Obama administration.

 

I stopped reading before I got all the way through this thread, but I want to clarify some things.

1) They documents being requested are not being claimed to be relevant to the death of the officers, they are relevant to false statements being made to Congress. There was a letter submitted to Congress denying knowledge of the operation that was later withdrawn. The committee is requesting documents between those two dates trying to determine the internal communications that occurred that led to the withdrawal of the letter. The insinuation is obviously that a cover up was discussed. The assertion being made that this would endanger Americans is false if revealed is false. The only thing it could potentially do is make Obama's DOJ look bad.

2) Congress hasn't requested documents that are illegal to release. That's crazy. Holder offered the documents as part of a settlement offer that Issa rejected.

3) This is largely a political stunt by the Republicans and that they continue to assert it relates to the dead agent is sad. They aren't trying to find out the truth about that, they are hoping to find something to embarrass Holder and by extension the President, or if they get really lucky, something to embarrass Obama.

 

Indeed, squared.

 

I stopped reading here.

Making false statements to congress is kind of a problem, son.

 

Yes it is. Who denied that? I was just clearing up something. They aren't trying to figure out what happened to the agent, they are trying to figure out what happened in the DOJ between the letter denying knowledge and the retraction.

 

He's accountable for every minute of the program after inauguration day. WMD intel was bad during Clinton's term, but no sane person blames him for the Iraq War because he wasn't around or empowered in any way to act on or correct the info.

 

This is the first time that Obama has used executive privileged, It took him 3.5 years to use which I think is a record for a modern president if not all presidents. He also has used it once compared to over a dozen times that Bush & Clinton used it.

The admin provided 7,000 pages of documents, countless interviews and cooperated with the committees. They have found nothing, and now what to go after Holder anyway. It's just politics and yes Dems are guilty too.

Fast & Furious was obviously a big mistake. They messed up. But this is becoming another witch-hunt with the goal of creating controversy during an election year.

I think it's great that Republicans took this seriously and investigated it. But they found nothing, and it's time to let it go.

 

Why does congress need to go after this just before an election? Who is playing politics?

What national security leak endangered our SEALS? the mission was kept top secret. Most partisan administration in history? What brainwashing clearner are you using on your mind?

 

The wording here might be a little off. I believe Bush used it 6 times total and Clinton something like 14. Your wording implies both presidents used it more than a dozen times.

Now, to be fair to both presidents...

It's unlikely that a President who has a party that controls congress will need to use it while a President with a Congress controlled by the opposition will be more likely to need it.