Refs call ticky tack fouls constantly throughout the game. They also call hard fouls, don't call ticky tack fouls and don't call hard fouls. Clearly a hard game to ref. Clearly they are instructed not to call everything or call it by the official rulebook. But the point is, as a fan, it's impossible to know what they will and won't call or to perceive any level of fairness. Hence the Jordan Rules. Even within the same game, the way they call the game can change drastically from minute to minute. Only because they've let the game get that way. Again, as a fan I have no idea what they will and won't call. It wouldn't take very long for player's to adjust to a strict hard-line adoption of the rule book and stop fouling. That's NOT what I'm suggesting happen, just an observation. There actually is winning. It's called instant replay. No they don't, as I laid out. If it is a no-call, the play goes on until the team that wants to challenge gets the ball back or there is otherwise a stoppage in play. At that point, the team that felt like there should have been a foul called "throws the red flag". Refs review the sequence in question and "rewind everything" to the point of the foul if it should have been called. You're talking about a max of 24 seconds in 90% of the cases after the play in question, which would be the case if the other team got the ball after the no-call, held it for their full shot clock before hitting a shot or missing a shot and not grabbing an offensive rebound. The only time it would be more than 24 seconds would be if the team grabs an offensive board. It's not a complicated system. One challenge per team.
It was a foul, but everyone complaining should know that refs aren't gonna call that at the end of the game. It wasn't that hard of a foul, he just bodied him up. There were missed calls on both sides.
i don't get this kind of thinking at all. so it's ok to call that same foul in the 3rd quarter? is the game not being affected then? such small fouls are called throughout the entire game (and points are scored) but when it comes down to calling it when it really matters..everyone is scared. OH NO. WE DONT WANT TO REFS TO CONTROL THE GAME. they are controlling the game by not calling it!!!!
Exactly my complaint. It's not about last night's play. Why do you want to give the defensive player the edge of not calling a foul on a last second shot? That's just poor officiating culture. It's the same as superstar call and a bunch of other nonsense that have somehow deemed acceptable because it has always been done.
correct. just hearing that makes me furious. a foul is a foul is a foul is a foul no matter when it happens. either call it never..or always. don't use the excuse of "oh because it's kobe...because it's the end of the game..because it's playoffs.."
Yeah I saw that. He actuall landed his feet at different times which is traveling on a jump stop already, and then took another step after that as well to get his lay up. Didn't really bother me though cause plays like that happen all the time. The NBA never calls traveling on jump stops even though it is a MUST that both feet have to come down at the same time.
I didn't phrase that very well. All I meant was "when in doubt" swallow your whistle (no-call) on the last play.
Hold on. Why is it a "defensive player" who has the edge? That's not true. Jordan pushed Russell away from him for one of the biggest game winning shots ever. Karl Malone bear-hugged Drexler Reggie Miller shoved MJ away for a 3 to go to game 7. That's just off the top of my head. There is no defensive player edge in "let them play" last-shot philosophy.
I actually don't think it's as good a solution as you do. It's not a cut-and-dry thing like in football. Im football, the guy stepped on the line or he didn't. Very easy to adjudicate. They have some gray areas too, but those replays are great for sideline rulings and the like. In the NBA, everything is gray and needs interpretation. So, on this foul. The refs saw it, if they were watching the play at all, and decided it wasn't significant enough to whistle (maybe due to Jordan rules or maybe not). So then OKC makes them review it on instant replay. They see (like we did) that there was contact and Durant still got a good shot. The facts aren't in dispute. They have to decide again, was the contact signficant enough to call a foul? They might get slightly more information than they had before from different camera angles, and they have more time to reflect. But essentially they have the same parameters they did before: end of game, Lebron on Durant, 3 bumps, a clear shot. The only really different parameter is that know this video will be viewed a million times on Youtube and their decision will be second-guessed by every other viewer. So, they can either stubbornly insist that a foul that was a foul should not be called, or else submit to blackmail and rule 'by the book' and call a ticky-tack foul as if they didn't see it the first time around. I'm not sure which way they'd tend to go, but neither are good for the league. (If they do tend to submit and call the fouls on replay, I wouldn't save it for the end either. I would do it in the middle of the game on a 3-pointer by my best free throw shooter where there looks to be some contact. A point is worth the same at the beginnning or end of the game. The only difference is if you wait to the end, you might not find a good opportunity to take it.) Not that replay would be useless. There are a lot of flops I'd like to see reversed on instant replay. I just don't see it solving this no-call situation.
This is one of the problems with the NBA the situational enforcement of rules 1. Is it a superstar? YES 2. Is he being guarded by a bigger superstar? YES 3. Is it the last play of the game? YES Call NO FOUL! If 2 or 3 were NO . . then the foul might have been called. Rocket River
I'm at a complete loss. it seems like the entire basis of your argument is that some fouls aren't actually fouls? Perhaps. Or perhaps the inevitable is the inevitable, meaning a close game at the end is going to be a close game at the end, regardless of a blow call mid-game. Again, I guess this ultimately comes down to my belief that a foul is a foul vs. your belief that some fouls aren't actually fouls (which definition-ally is illogical though conceptually understandable). What if Durant made the shot, and there was no foul dispute but had his tip-toe on the baseline and was really out? Should that be ticky tack ignored as well? Or he made the shot but Durant traveled? Or he missed the shot but Ibaka offensive goal-tended it in? There's a million hypotheticals you can come up with. Which ones should be called properly and which ones should be ignored as ticky tack? Why even review tipped out of bound calls with instant reply if the idea is to just be kind of close to right?
Well there are a lot of fouls that don't get called throughout the game too. There are missed calls on both sides all game, it doesn't matter when it happens. Big deal. I'm more concerned with flopping.
That's fine. But why don't they do that in regular time? Like the one that could have been Durant's 6th foul, JVG suggested that it's too close to call. So just don't call it. Let them play.
That would give the edge to the more physical players. The point is, every philosophy of officiating gives edge to a certain style of play. They should apply a philosophy consistently, not by situation.
I'm more annoyed by fans b****ing about calls during the game or at any other time. Would you all just stop b****ing about calls and non calls, just f!cking play. jesus, what is so hard to understand about this. have you not played this sport competitively.
A defensive player is not permitted to move into the path of an offensive play-er once he has started his shooting motion. The Durant/Battier was called correctly because KD started his upward movement to the basket and Battier continued to slide under him. Simply pause the video at the moment KD goes upward and then hit play, and it clear that Battier continues to slide underneath him. That play was called correct. No matter, officials miss calls and if the Thunder want to win this series then they need to stop falling behind by double digit points.
it's the nba so it is what it is. But be sure of it, miami heat "fans" will be wishing that foul had been called because the new crew has probably been instructed by the commissar to clean things up.
