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What is wrong with the American DREAM?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Northside Storm, Feb 8, 2011.

  1. RocketRaccoon

    RocketRaccoon Contributing Member

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    American Dream?

    I'm living it with hard work.
    (absolute fact)

    The rich inherited the dream, while the poor feels entitled.
    (loose generalization going on here)

    Point I'm making is you gotta work for the dream or it means nothing.
     
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  2. YallMean

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    So if Republicans are willing to excuse rich Americans, why they don't do the same to poor immigrant students? :p

    To me the Republicans position is not necessarily inconsistent on the face, but obviously the poor immigrant students do not vote and will not vote for Republicans. :cool:
     
  3. geeimsobored

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18460894#FBM104949

     
  4. basso

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    ^^^
    setting aside the actually policy for a moment, this is a horrible moment for representative democracy in this country. there is no national consensus on this issue, and it's a mistake to bypass the legislative process.

    this is not a question of opposing immigration (I'm a first generation american), not even a question of opposing illegal immigration, but one about respecting the fundamental rights of the people.

    more and more, Obama resembles George III.
     
  5. Cohete Rojo

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    It's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it. - George Carlin

    I really don't know what's going on here but the American Dream is very ambigous. It seems like it changes every generation. Here is the succession I came up with:

    1. Owning your own farm (Destroyed by industrial-farming/better jobs)
    2. Being a self-made entrepenaur/small-business owner (Destroyed by Wal-Mart and shopping malls)
    3. Home ownership (Destroyed in the most recent economic collapse)

    Now? A college education: soon to be destroyed by the status-seeking/spouse-seeking driven student loan bubble.
     
  6. MoonDogg

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    My father in law and pretty much my wife's entire family are farmers, and are very comfortable. If you really want to be a farmer, there are actually many government programs available for you to start or you can strike out on your own. You'll never get rich, but you'll live a long, blessed life.

    My father owns his own business and employs many people. He's been doing it for 35 years and isn't looking to stop. He actually shops at Wal-Mart quite a bit due to their low prices.

    My entire family owns their own homes. Nobody over built or over bought, all own homes they can afford with mortgages that are easily paid for. Its actually pretty inexpensive to own a home in many part of the country. Especially if you are willing to not watch HGTV and "NEED" custom granite counter tops, stainless appliances, and huge number of bathrooms.

    The American Dream still exists.
     
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  8. QdoubleA

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    Sooo which part of this story makes Obama a dictator. You people are so foolish it's laughable.
     
  9. DFWRocket

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    some yes
    but lets remember that almost 80% of millionaires (I'm not talking multi-millionaires or billionaires here) are First-Generation rich..meaning they did NOT come from rich families.

    And a majority of them never made more than $150K a year..they just saved and invested well.

    Like the story on yahoo the other day about the teacher that became a millionaire on his salary. It can be done..but only if you're willing to sacrifice..which most Americans are NOT willing to do. We want our new flat-screens, overpriced game systems, and brand new automobiles that costs more than 1/2 our salaries..and then we whine about being in debt.
     
  10. DFWRocket

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    I applaud you on this by the way. Its what the American Dream is all about.
     
  11. DFWRocket

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    Fixed it for you.

    There are plenty of stories out there of families of 4 living fine on $40K a year income by choice so the mom can stay home with the kids. It can be done..but Americans would rather own $300 game systems instead of putting that money into savings or paying off a debt. We spend on average $3K-5K a year on car payments instead of driving a paid for car and putting that money into savings or retirement/kids college fund. We blow money going out to eat at restaurants and fast food places instead of cooking healthy cheaper meals at home (which by the way leads to better health and less medical bills). We pay way too much for data plans on cell phones in order to check facebook from our cars, we pay outrageous prices for cable instead of watching better quality HD broadcast television for FREE. The point - we as Americans put an emphasis on THINGS instead of people nowadays. We have more at a younger age than our parents ever did, and then we complain that we can't pay for it all.
     
  12. tallanvor

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    The part where he ignores the legislative process. The part where he issues an edict. Did you even read the article?
     
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  13. MoonDogg

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    You partisan people are so blind it's laughable.
     
  14. FranchiseBlade

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    The American Dream is still possible here, but is more unlikely than ever before.

    Sadly people in nations like Spain, France, Denmark, Australia, Norway, Sweden, and Canada all have a greater chance of climbing upward. So the American Dream may be easier to achieve in Canada or France than in the U.S.
     
  15. QdoubleA

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    Yeahhh go ahead and show me where he ignored any legislative process in the article? The closest thing there is "avoids dealing with Congress and the American people instead of fixing a broken immigration system once and for all." That is political diatribe and means nothing. If it was not within his power to do this, it wouldn't be done, you'll say whatever talking point comes to mind to prove "Nobama is da debil!" try reading it again, take your time.
     
  16. Kyrodis

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    Eh...yes and no. If you read Napolitano's memo, you'll see that no part of immigration law was changed without legislative process.

    The DHS wants to exercise prosecutorial discretion in choosing which illegal immigrants to prosecute because:
    - They'd rather not expend resources on "low-priority" violators that pose no harm to society
    - They believe consideration should be given to the individual circumstances of each case

    Technically, this falls under Article 2 of the Constitution giving the Executive Branch the power ensure "the laws are faithfully executed."

    Does exercising prosecutorial discretion (something done all the time to prioritize cases) still constitute "faithful execution" of immigration law? I guess that's up for debate.
     
  17. QdoubleA

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    So you gonna answer the question or....
     
  18. fadeaway

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    What is wrong with the American Dream?

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    Nothing that a few Bionic Elbows to the head won't fix!

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  19. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Yeah but if you granted them citizenship then they wouldn't depress wages anymore since people couldn't get away with underpaying them.

    By the way, Georgia's anti-immigration law actually hurt their industry in a measureable way to the point that it lowered the economy for everyone in the state.
     
  20. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Actually he still has a point.

    If you are going to give a chance to those who break the tax law to become lawful taxpayers again without penalty, shouldn't you also allow those who break immigration laws a chance to apply as legal immigrants?

    I think anyone who is in this country for 5 or more years, hasn't committed a felony (other than around immigration laws), and works hard or has completed high school here deserves a chance to become a citizen. That's what makes America great.

    If the only reason to deny these people is because they committed a victimless crime, then they too should have an amnesty policy. I mean they want to be here that bad, put up with all the anti-immigrant racist folks, put up with living in fear, put up with being treated as slaves...and they still want to be here so they can work for $5 an hour and work 14 hour days?

    Heck yeah, make them citizens. That's what this country needs.

    oh...wait. They don't vote Republican, I forgot.
     

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