Moving less than $10k at once to avoid reporting requirements certainly is relevant to her breaking other laws, though not to this case. Their finances pertain to the outcome of the bond hearing.
I just want to keep the tally. Lying in court is no big deal and doesn't speak to your character or truthfulness, bond has nothing to do with finances, the DA brought charges for publicity purposes though you agree he's guilty of negligent homicide, you're not in favor of the facts, nobody here can read... did I get it all?
LOL. If you aren't capable of understanding my clear-headed arguments, I am sorry. I have reiterated time and time again, in this very thread, that I don't know if GZ is guilty or innocent, I do know that the evidence available is certainly not enough to convict him. I also corrected my statement that Finances have NOTHING to do with bail hearings to they have LITTLE to do. I stand by that, Bail Hearings aren't intended to take X percentage of every accused criminal. The accused crime, their community ties, and their finances are used to determine whether or not they are a flight risk and their bail is supposed to reflect that. That is correct. So If you didn't understand it, than you can't read. Sorry. I do think the DA brought the murder charges to get the public off her back. I don't think that your wife lying withholding the amount in the account that the court was aware of speaks poorly of GZ's character. Did he lie? Did she lie? We don't even know that because I still haven't found out whether or not that taped "code" was before or after the hearing. And it's not code when the question is HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE HAVE????? Wait. What is he talking about? Money must be code for something...maybe money? She said 155...does that mean they only have 155 dollars? pennies? million? It must be some new number, because it is in code... BTW never said lying in court wasn't a big deal. I said what she did was wrong, but that it doesn't change the outcome of this case. Keep tallying buddy, you can mark another one down for me when GZ is acquited of Murder.
I'm just happily observing the arguments. I'll let the justice system, who will have the most evidence/facts, determine Zimmerman's fate. If you are going to argue, be consistent and/or concede when you've made a mistake. Saving face or trying to make your argument work by twisting words is selfish and solves nothing. No one cares if you're wrong or right, just get the facts straight. Unless you're trolling, which is fine.
lol. I didn't twist anything. And I did admit that I mistyped. I also have not judged GZ, I have only said 1000000 times that the evidence available is not enough to convict him of murder 2, but it is enough to likely get a manslaughter charge. I don't try to save face, because I am not concerned with how I come off here. I have the facts straight, thanks.
We're going to find out a lot more soon.... http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_n...more-evidence-in-trayvon-martin-shooting?lite
The lead homicide investigator in the shooting of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin recommended that neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter the night of the shooting http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-ma...n-manslaughter/story?id=16011674#.T9kC4LU9mwE and why is he arrested now? has the law changed?
No disrespect to the one life lost and the many others irreparably harmed in this incident, but this is probably the most interesting discussion point to emerge in this whole circus.
The Law in Florida doesn't allow officers to arrest on scene if they can not refute the claim of self-defense. I don't see what you're pointing out? One guy says he recommended they charge him with a lesser charge. It wasn't until they were able to RE-INTERVIEW all of the witnesses, that they were able to gather enough circumstantial evidence to arrest him. I really have a headache and don't want to read that article, would you mind summarizing, or just answer these two questions, please? When did he recommend it? Who validated his statement? Is that in the article? I don't mean to pretend that I know everything about this case. I hope the state has more information, because based on everything that has been released to the public, you can not prove beyond a reasonable doubt George Zimmerman committed murder. Let's just say I have never been this excited for courttv.
This is a recap of the judge's order revoking Zimmerman's bond. http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...ond-decision-jailhouse-phone-george-zimmerman If you read the full order, it is absolutely scathing towards Zimmerman and I assure you that if you are level headed and not 100% biased, you will see that the Judge contemplated each of the questions you pose and determined that this was a clear, willfull and malicious effort by George and his wife to deceive the Court as to their financial condition. This doesn't even mention that Zimmerman failed to turn in an active, valid passport. If that doesn't create flight risk, then you are just irreparably biased. In tape recorded conversations BEFORE the hearing and AFTER the money was secured, the Zimmerdouche's referred to $10,000 as $100 and $50,000 as $500, etc. Bear in mind that Zimmerman's own lawyer has admitted that these incidents raise doubts as to his client's credibility. He said the onus is now on his client to "rebuild his credibility". Ask yourself if his own lawyer agrees that his credibility has taken a hit, why you don't. Zimmerman's wife assured the Judge he would return to court to stand trial and wouldn't flee. So did George and his family. The Court's willingness to accept a defendant at his word also weighs into flight risk and this Judge's opinion is that no one with the last name Zimmerman should be trusted at this point. At the bond hearing, the Judge actually told the prosecutor he was "surprised that charges hadn't been filed against Zimmerman's wife in light of the nature of the misrepresenations but assumed the Prosecutor would file those later". If the freaking Judge is all but telling the Prosecutor to file perjury charges, it tells you something as to the obviousness of the indiscretion. You sound too smart to be this biased. There is certainly a great amount of debate as to whether Zimmerman is guilty of murder, but this perjury case is truly an absolute open and shut case and speaks very poorly to George's character and his wife's character, even if you think it doesn't mean he necessarily killed TM. And it's pretty hard for George to win in the Court of Public Opinion when he follows up an avoidable shooting brought on by his poor judgement (irrespective of whether it was a crime or not) when he immediately deceives the Court with his wife, again showing poor judgement. This does not look like a guy who will ever walk the straight and narrow in life or be a productive, law-abiding member of society. And he has no one to blame but himself. He's not above the law. "This is a serious charge for which life may be imposed; the evidence against him is strong; he has been charged with one prior crime, for which he went through a pre-trial diversion program, and has had an injunction lodged against him" for domestic violence. Most importantly, though, is the fact that he has now demonstrated that he does not properly respect the law or the integrity of the judicial process." If the Judge who's trying the case thinks the evidence against him strong and that his deceipt is material... I guess my question is what do you know that he doesn't?
Zimmerman's wife's credibility is not going to affect GZ trial. The issue of finances is not going affect GZ's trial. His criminal history will be used against him, but it won't be a strong point for the prosecution considering the domestic violence resulted in 2 restraining orders, the assault was reduced to resisting arrest, and "over-speeding." well if they try to use that against him they're stupid. The only truly important credibility issue to GZ is the passport. The jury won't holy prejudice for his "code" talk, considering it wasn't much of a code. Not saying specifying the decimal points will get you points off on your algebra test, but it won't put you in jail. Everything they have is circumstantial. It may be enough for you to convict him, it may be enough for me to convict him (it's not), but it's not enough for a conviction in a court of law. I look forward to seeing the evidence that is released, although it makes me nervous. Should these documents be available to the public from the get-go? One they select the jury? What if there is a mistrial? It opens up Pandora's box when dealing with future cases. There is evidence that likely can be used by both sides, but were thrown out for various reasons, so now the public can use that information to further their public convictions. No one would be stupid enough to argue that she isn't guilty of perjury if she knew about the money. She transferred money prior to the trial? Didn't they provide bank statements at the hearing? And how can you conclude that GZ is not capable of walking the straight and narrow path? Because he had some run-ins with the law 6 years ago? Or because he had a CHL? Or was it because he was on the neighborhood watch, so he must have thought he was above the law. It's not like he called the police to notify them. Maybe he should have told them he already shot the kid and the police would have arrived faster. It's terrible that TM's life was taken, but sending someone to jail for 20 years when he obeyed the law, is not going to bring him back.
Mostly, I think that it will have little effect on the trial, but you never know. If they are going to paint Zimmerman who would rather do things his way based on what Zimmerman thinks is right and wrong with little respect for what the actual law is, this would help paint Zimmerman in that light. It could open the jurors minds to the idea that this is a guy with no respect for the law, and that he'd do what he thought would serve his own idea of justice, which would be killing someone who he believed was a criminal. That would mean that Zimmerman decided before hand that he would shoot TM. That may be their angle for Murder 2 instead of manslaughter.
Clearly that is what they're trying to do. Paint GZ as a renegade wanna-be policeman who thinks he is above the law. That's silly. Because he had a restraining order against him and his own against his ex-wife? Or because he was arrested 6 years ago for resisting arrest? There was an undercover cop in a bar for alcohol control, apparently he was arresting or dealing with someone else, and GZ interjected, he said "**** You" and was arrested for using "violence and battery against the officer." The charges were dropped because it was a stupid charge. He was probably drunk, I can't tell you how many drunk people I have seen say derogatory things to cops, that doesn't say much about them, drunk people say things. If he thought he was above the law why did he call the police? The defense will argue he does respect the law and that is why he called the police and used the SYG law in his defense. Everything else happened after the fact and don't portray his intent that night. The only tool the prosecution has it seems is to tarnish his credibility.
You are the one claiming that the only thing the prosecution has is "circumstantial evidence," which just isn't true. Don't make inaccurate statements and I won't call you out when I see them.
