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New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Hightop, May 31, 2012.

  1. thegary

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    sodas are pretty much totally processed and artificial.
    coffee is a natural product.
     
  2. trueroxfan

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    I believe HFCS is also used because it is less filling than sugar, which makes people want more.

    Also, via wikipedia
    I just got the shivers. I probably double the average persons intake. Well not so much now, but in college most certainly.

    This is sick, but my freshman year I had a can pyramid with a 64 can base. The worst part is it only took a few weeks to complete. I literally drank like 5 sodas a day if not more sometimes. How do I not have like ginormous kidney stones? I wish I liked the taste of healthy things.
     
  3. Rockets2K

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    Sometimes Stewart can be hit or miss, but this knocked it out of the park.
    I agree with most of this.

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  4. BetterThanEver

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    Government controlling diet is a direct result of Medicaid. The government is paying the out-of-control medical expenses of obese population with medical issues that are more relate to what they eat than genetics. Expect more goverment laws taking our rights to eat what we want, as more people join Medicaid and other health insurance programs.
     
  5. Major

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    Except government - local and federal - and insured people already subsidize all the costs for uninsured people. So if there were no Medicaid, those people would have no insurance and they'd still be footing the bill, except it would be much higher because emergency care always costs more than preventive care.

    Those medical expenses will exist one way or another until the problem is solved. And you'll pay for them one way or another.

    I think this law is a bit ridiculous, but it doesn't take away your right to eat (or drink) whatever you want.
     
  6. Rocket River

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    I think of this like the Smoking Ban
    I think it is so PRO BUSINESS

    With Smoking - some business wanted to ban it.
    BUT they knew it would kill their business because the competiton would allow smoking and they would lose business.
    So . . they wanted to ban smoking . . but not lose to competition
    so . . .this happened. . .they can keep their business and say "It's not me its the government"

    Now with Soda - Business would like to charge you 1.29 per 16 ounces
    but they know the competition will charge you the same for 32 ounces
    now
    They can blame the government . . . .for something they wanted to do anyway
    this will show up in their profits . . . . I remember when FREE refills was never an option
    competition made it happen . . . . so . . to stop it the government steps in as business's advocate but will 'take the heat' as the villian
    allow businesses to do what they would have liked to do anyway
    More profits for business

    nothing like helping business out of situations they put themselves in
    while wrapping it in sugar coating of . . "Doing it for the public good"


    Rocket River
     
  7. Refman

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    I have to agree with the NYC comedian that CNN interviewed on this topic.

    - Didn't the last round of prohibition end poorly in New York?

    - I cannot wait to make a killing in the sales of medicinal Mountain Dew.

    That was comedy gold. I wish I could remember his name.
     
  8. Classic

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    This is the essence of politics and pretty much any decision our government is involved in these days that is viewed as controversial by one side or the other when the real underlying motive is business profits:

    iraq invasion=war profits for companies who make bombs & bullets but we're safer from brown people overseas who are so different from us
    obamacare=insurance reform=continued pharmaceuticals/medical profits by forcing everyone to buy in & subsidize
    race politics hyped up with Trayvon Martin=media profits
    stimulus check in summer 2008 with record high gas prices=simultaneous record oil profits
    9/11=patriot act=TSA=machines needed for screening, former dept of homeland security is guy who owns company that makes machines
    subsidize beef industry/corn=high demand at mcdonalds due to artificially lower price of beef & soda prices=happiness for corporate share holders & people get sick from garbage food--> need for better health care--->obama care
    keep drugs illegal=send people to jail=corporate profits from prison system
    TARP=bail out corps=keep corp shareholders wealth intact

    democrats demand government to step in and provide justice, repubs are behind the businesses that are the answer [generally speaking] & democrats & repubs are share holders in companies who provide answers

    quite the vicious cycle we find ourselves in & no wonder we have a 15 trillion deficit
     
  9. Hightop

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    It must be tough being so smart, so caring, and yet people don't appreciate how you need to coerce them.

    Evolution’s Sweet Tooth

    By DANIEL E. LIEBERMAN
    Cambridge, Mass.

    OF all the indignant responses to Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg’s plan to ban the sale of giant servings of soft drinks in New York City, libertarian objections seem the most worthy of serious attention. People have certain rights, this argument goes, including the right to drink lots of soda, to eat junk food, to gain weight and to avoid exercise. If Mr. Bloomberg can ban the sale of sugar-laden soda of more than 16 ounces, will he next ban triple scoops of ice cream and large portions of French fries and limit sales of Big Macs to one per order? Why not ban obesity itself?

    The obesity epidemic has many dimensions, but at heart it’s a biological problem. An evolutionary perspective helps explain why two-thirds of American adults are overweight or obese, and what to do about it. Lessons from evolutionary biology support the mayor’s plan: when it comes to limiting sugar in our food, some kinds of coercive action are not only necessary but also consistent with how we used to live.

    Obesity’s fundamental cause is long-term energy imbalance — ingesting more calories than you spend over weeks, months and years. Of the many contributors to energy imbalance today, plentiful sugar may be the worst.

    Since sugar is a basic form of energy in food, a sweet tooth was adaptive in ancient times, when food was limited. However, excessive sugar in the bloodstream is toxic, so our bodies also evolved to rapidly convert digested sugar in the bloodstream into fat. Our hunter-gatherer ancestors needed plenty of fat — more than other primates — to be active during periods of food scarcity and still pay for large, expensive brains and costly reproductive strategies (hunter-gatherer mothers could pump out babies twice as fast as their chimpanzee cousins).

    Simply put, humans evolved to crave sugar, store it and then use it. For millions of years, our cravings and digestive systems were exquisitely balanced because sugar was rare. Apart from honey, most of the foods our hunter-gatherer ancestors ate were no sweeter than a carrot. The invention of farming made starchy foods more abundant, but it wasn’t until very recently that technology made pure sugar bountiful.

    The food industry has made a fortune because we retain Stone Age bodies that crave sugar but live in a Space Age world in which sugar is cheap and plentiful. Sip by sip and nibble by nibble, more of us gain weight because we can’t control normal, deeply rooted urges for a valuable, tasty and once limited resource.

    What should we do? One option is to do nothing, while hoping that scientists find better cures for obesity-related diseases like heart disease and Type 2 diabetes. I’m not holding my breath for such cures, and the costs of inaction, already staggering, would continue to mushroom.

    A more popular option is to enhance public education to help us make better decisions about what to eat and how to be active. This is crucial but has so far yielded only modest improvements.

    The final option is to collectively restore our diets to a more natural state through regulations. Until recently, all humans had no choice but to eat a healthy diet with modest portions of food that were low in sugar, saturated fat and salt, but high in fiber. They also had no choice but to walk and sometimes run an average of 5 to 10 miles a day. Mr. Bloomberg’s paternalistic plan is not an aberrant form of coercion but a very small step toward restoring a natural part of our environment.

    Though his big-soda ban would apply to all New Yorkers, I think we should focus paternalistic laws on children. Youngsters can’t make rational, informed decisions about their bodies, and our society agrees that parents don’t have the right to make disastrous decisions on their behalf. Accordingly, we require parents to enroll their children in school, have them immunized and make them wear seat belts. We require physical education in school, and we don’t let children buy alcohol or cigarettes. If these are acceptable forms of coercion, how is restricting unhealthy doses of sugary drinks that slowly contribute to disease any different?

    Along these lines, we should ban all unhealthy food in school — soda, pizza, French fries — and insist that schools provide adequate daily physical education, which many fail to do.

    Adults need help, too, and we should do more to regulate companies that exploit our deeply rooted appetites for sugar and other unhealthy foods. The mayor was right to ban trans fats, but we should also make the food industry honest about portion sizes. Like cigarettes, mass-marketed junk food should come with prominent health warning labels. It should be illegal to advertise highly fattening food as “fat free.” People have the right to be unhealthy, but we should make that choice more onerous and expensive by imposing taxes on soda and junk food.

    We humans did not evolve to eat healthily and go to the gym; until recently, we didn’t have to make such choices. But we did evolve to cooperate to help one another survive and thrive. Circumstances have changed, but we still need one another’s help as much as we ever did. For this reason, we need government on our side, not on the side of those who wish to make money by stoking our cravings and profiting from them. We have evolved to need coercion.

    Daniel E. Lieberman, a professor of human evolutionary biology at Harvard, is the author of “The Evolution of the Human Head.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/06/opinion/evolutions-sweet-tooth.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print
     
  10. Bandwagoner

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    It would be a fundamental shift in culture if it was illegal to buy a gallon of sugar at the movies.

    The funny part is the pricing of drinks at movies. 4.75 small, 5.00 medium, 5.25 extra huge jumbo.
     
  11. Hightop

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    NY Health panel talks about wider food ban

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    By LUKE FUNK, Senior Web Producer

    The board hand-picked by Mayor Michael Bloomberg that must approve his ban of selling large sugar-filled drinks at restaurants might be looking at other targets.

    The New York City Board of Health showed support for limiting sizes of sugary drinks at a Tuesday meeting in Queens. They agreed to start the process to formalize the large-drink ban by agreeing to start a six-week public comment period.

    At the meeting, some of the members of board said they should be considering other limits on high-calorie foods.

    One member, Bruce Vladeck, thinks limiting the sizes for movie theater popcorn should be considered.


    "The popcorn isn't a whole lot better than the soda," Vladeck said.

    Another board member thinks milk drinks should fall under the size limits.

    "There are certainly milkshakes and milk-coffee beverages that have monstrous amounts of calories," said board member Dr. Joel Forman.


    Mayor Bloomberg says the drink rules are an attempt to fight obesity in the city. It would limit food service establishments in the city from serving drinks bigger than 16 ounces but would allow refills.

    The New York City Restaurant Association is fighting the proposal and is considering legal action of it goes into effect.

    New York City voters oppose 51 - 46 percent Mayor Michael Bloomberg's proposed ban on the sale of over-sized sugary soft drinks, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released Wednesday.

    Read more: http://www.myfoxny.com/story/18774940/health-panel-talks-about-wider-food-ban#ixzz1xgrmBXwA
     
  12. nef2005

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    Once again, bringing in Obama's wife after getting pissy about mentioning Romney's wife. To compound this, you've also posted a clearly doctored and fairly race baiting photo of Michelle Obama.

    Keep it up, it really helps your cause!
     
  13. tallanvor

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    Michelle Obama has publicly supported the ban. That makes her fair game (she was fair game before anyways).

    What's racist about it?
     
  14. Kojirou

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    Why photoshop her face to look like that? Is there a reason to do that?
     
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  15. tallanvor

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    Why photoshop meat in her mouth? to make it look like shes eating.

    You still didn't tell me whats racist about it.
     
  16. Hightop

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    Because she is a stupid b****.
     
  17. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    I hope you don't suck your mom's **** with that mouth.
     
  18. nef2005

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    Oh, well, I hadn't realized you'd lay out such a well structured argument. I'll vote for Romeny now, thanks.
     
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  20. PigMiller

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    Kinda like "why don't you unpack that for me brah."
     

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