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[VIDEO] Oscar Robertson Highlights - THE LEGEND IN HIS PRIME

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by CavaliersFTW, Jun 10, 2012.

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  1. alaskansnowman

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    I was so disappointed in what I saw from the great triple double machine that I had to shut it off.
     
    #21 alaskansnowman, Jun 11, 2012
  2. SamFisher

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    And his era was arena football compared to NFL.
     
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  3. CavaliersFTW

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    Is it news to you that he played with fundamentals and his physical advantages rather than flair? What did you expect, to see him zip around the floor like 5-10 Allen Iverson?. He's the Tim Duncan of point guards, all substance - and he dominated because of it. If you think what he's doing in that video somehow wouldn't dominate today than your lacking understanding of just how big he is and how effective fundamental basketball is. He's the size of Paul Pierce, handles the ball better than Paul Pierce (you missed his crossovers), has all the instinct of a point guard, is more athletic that Paul Pierce, and shoots just as well. He just didn't care about style. If that's a disappointing revelation than go watch some Rucker Park highlights on Youtube and imagine to yourself how much better all those guys must be than boring old triple-double Oscar Robertson.
     
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  4. heypartner

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    Does everyone realize Oscar's stats are inflated by the era. He has a career averages of 42 minutes per game. Career average. That doesn't happen anymore.

    imo, it's absurd people put Oscar in the Top 10 of all time.

    People give Lebron so much crap about not having a ring, yet Oscar Robertson never would have won one either without a 30ppg Kareem...and they still only won one. Magic won 5 titles with an aging Kareem, and Oscar could only win one with a young, unstoppable Kareem.
     
    #24 heypartner, Jun 11, 2012
  5. CavaliersFTW

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    Oscar never choked his way out of the playoffs, if he lost it was his team losing convincingly to a clearly superior team (teams like the Celtics Dynasty or 72 win Lakers etc).
     
    #25 CavaliersFTW, Jun 11, 2012
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    Tell you what, I will watch the rest of the video and get back to you.
     
    #26 alaskansnowman, Jun 11, 2012
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    LOL you Lebron apologists are absolutely hilarious.
    How many rings did Lebron say he WILL win? Not one, not two.... not three...
    No one forced him to talk out of his ass and douse himself with gasoline. The Mavs shoved humble pie up his orifice and Lebron was justifiably flamed.
     
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    Let's see, who has a better playoff record, LBJ, who has now made the finals for 3 times in 8 years and is writing his name in the history books with his individual numbers, without the stats-inflating sillyball of the early 60's, or Oscar Robertson (in an era in which you only had to go through 2 rounds to get to the finals) whose team made it out of the first round twice in a decade, only to get smoted down badly each time.
     
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    So what you are saying is, it was more difficult to get into the playoffs, and Oscar played in the same era as the greatest American sports team to ever play in the Celtics?
     
    #29 Canadiandude, Jun 11, 2012
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    Depends on how they meant it. If the measurable is dominance over opponents, the comparison is fair. Just as someone echoed my comment, comparing eras is very difficult because the training, the coaching and the game are different. These highlights are comprised of him backing down and shooting over 6'3" opponents. That doesn't happen in the NBA anymore because there aren't so many 6'3" opponents. Oscar was a power player; not too many of those at the 1 or 2 guard. I guess if he got a lot of calls....
     
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    Dude, it wasn't harder to get in the playoffs...pretty much half the teams made the playoffs back then, too.

    Make all the excuses you want, but Oscar failed to make the playoffs FOUR years in a row in his absolute prime (28-31) and his legacy got salvaged by getting traded to play with a 30mpg Kareem. Magic, Larry and Jordan wouldn't need any excuses and would have capitalized on Kareem much more than just one ring.

    Four years in a row he missed the playoffs when 8 out of 14 teams made it.

    four years
     
    #31 heypartner, Jun 11, 2012
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    http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre...ge=avepos&year=All&source=All&draft=100&sort=

    What do you mean "not so many 6'3 opponents"?

    He is a backcourt player - a pure point guard to be specific, and his size exceeds the average size of backcourt players in the NBA in this era and any other era. The average size of NBA point guards in today's game is only 6-1.02 and 189lbs and the avg size of NBA shooting guards is only 6-3.76 and 202lbs. He's 6-5 in his barefeet and 220lbs. He's essentially the size of a Small Forward but he isn't a forward. If his team is stacked at all positions with traditional sized players (as it was when he played and as it would be if he played today) than he is a massive mismatch for any defense and either a player that is too large and slow to handle him will have to defend him, or a player that's too small and weak. The EXACT same result will happen. The average height of NBA players hasn't changed since the 60's + or - 0.5" and technically the average height of point guards in his era (even excluding himself) was taller than point guards in this era. Players today are typically only about 15lbs heavier on average than his era and this is strictly due to lifting weights, if he played today you don't think he'd pack on an extra 15lbs too just to follow suit? The dude is a massive mismatch there's no way around it.
     
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    There needed to be fewer teams who were better than you to get knocked out of the playoffs. The Royals played in the same division for most of the Big O's career against the Celtics, New York, Philadelphia. That Wilt fellow in Philadelphia wasn't so bad, I heard.
     
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    Yeah, only 6 of 9 teams made it in 1963.....
     
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    The same playoffs the Royals made it in and lost to the Celtics...
     
    #35 Canadiandude, Jun 11, 2012
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    He MISSED the playoffs four years in a row from age 27 to 31. Go ahead and make excuses for that. I guess Earl Monroe (Baltimore) and Dave Bing (Detroit) were just better than him.
     
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    So, exactly how tall do you think he is? I guess maybe Jerry West has grown since his playing days?

    [​IMG]

    He's shorter than Jerry West; "there's no way around it."
     
    #37 heypartner, Jun 11, 2012
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    Those two were great players. Monroe played with Unseld. Bing and Unseld are Hall of Famers. But whatever. Oscar did what nobody did in his era, prior to, or beyond. Whether you don't find it impressive or not, I could care less.

    What I find very amusing is Lebron apologists getting butthurt over him being criticized. Hint: there is a thread about how he extended out to Olajuwon to help out his game. Meaning, he recognizes he has flaws in his game and need to improve game. I don't see why this doesn't register with the Lebron fanatics. Bashing Osar's accomplishments isn't going to change this fact. He needs to improve his game, stop choking under pressure, and once he wins some championships, win with some humility and grace.
     
    #38 Canadiandude, Jun 11, 2012
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    You still haven't explained why we should care what a player does in the regular season when he missing four playoffs in a row. Ignore than all you what; "I could care less."
     
    #39 heypartner, Jun 11, 2012
  20. vlaurelio

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    apples to oranges. javal mcgee will dominate if he had a time machine and played in the 60s
     
    #40 vlaurelio, Jun 11, 2012
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