I get that midnight releases require next-day spoilers, but can we end this spoiler charade soon? Seems like you shouldn't read a movie thread for a movie already out, and not expect to encounter plot points. Spoiler She joined Fassbender-bot, Weyland, and Theron or Theron-bot directly after the Caesarean. At least two out of those three, and probably all of them, are the ones who purposefully infected her. Agree that there were probably some scenes cut, and I can't wait for a Director's Cut, but it does make sense that they'd be callously indifferent to her struggle. And Fassbender-bot did mention surprise that she (as an exemplar of humanity) was resilient enough to survive, or words to that effect.
Oh I definitely get that part. But no one else noticed? Spoiler Can't remember was the crew fighting the mutated Fifield at the time? I just kind of felt that whole scene was some weird dream, cause there was no explanation as to why or how they could happen. But yeah I figured David and Weyland and the other doctor pretty much knew what happened and didn't really give a damn anymore. Probably Plan A was for David to find intelligent life to communicate with, and when there seemed to be none he went with Plan B to try and infect someone to see what happens, and then when he found the life pod he went back to Plan A
Again I'm probably the minority here, but having just watched Alien and Aliens actually made the movie and the franchise even more satisfying. But then I wasn't expecting it to be in the same vein of the Alien movies either.
No doubt there are so many scenes missing. This is one of them that I can recall that it's in the trailer but wasn't in the movie. They didn't even have to fight their way out in the movie version. Was this scene been cut short or were there two different version that Ridley want to approach? Spoiler Weyland, Shaw, David and the crews heading to meet their maker.
*SPOILER* Movie freaking rocked! Loved all of it, except of some of the potholes at the end. Some of you are nitpicking, will give detailed thoughts later. This is just the initial feel after leaving the theater!
I think we will be getting a HARD R-Rated version for the Blu-ray Director's Cut and probably 20 to 30 mins added. From what I've read this is a soft R version. Ridley/FOX didn't want to denied a good profit from certain age group. Hopefully the HARD R we will soon get to see the real Charlize Theron naked pushups.
Spoiler You know what? I'm beginning to think that scene with Fifield waiting outside and attacking them when the door was open was suppose to tie in with the image that I show you from the above post. This is when they are helping old Weyland to go meet the Engineer. It's kind of make sense now that they are shooting at Fifield and nothing to do with the conflict between crew members. Sheesh. This movie is edit in another dimension. No wonder it just doesn't make sense because of the cuts and scenes being left on the cutting room floor.
There are like, what, five different cuts of Blade Runner, each with varying degrees of ambiguity/interpretations? I'd venture to guess the footage exists, and we'll get to see the deleted scenes in some form in the future. I'm happy to ponder the version on the screen, for the time being, as well, though. What's awesome about this film is that it's a true artist's film, and that it was marketed as a summer blockbuster. Look at the budget Ridley Scott had to work with. Look at the wall-to-wall advertising. I mean, I had Stephen A. Smith interrupting Game 6 on ESPN, telling me to go see this movie. When's the last time that happened, that a movie with this kind of intellect, nakedly about man's creation, about a god- or godless universe, got this amount of money to be made? (Inception seems like a gimmick compared to this. The Batman trilogy is relative horseplay.) Most movies that ask so much of the viewer never find funding/even get made. Most summer blockbusters are Battleship, or are well-made and funny, but still empty calories, like Avengers. For that reason alone, this is a triumph.
I am with you on this. It was a joy to watch the director's vision of an ambitious story. No pandering. Art and storytelling. Incredible performances by a strong cast. Visually stunning. Beats the usual bits Hollywood recycles.
On Vickers: Spoiler No way she was an android. She is completely panicked when the time is running out to evacuate. She takes time to put on her atmosphere suit even though it was about to cost her life. She has emotions. She wants her father dead so she can run the company. She gets angry and shows him spite. She shows fear at several points in the movie. She looks horrified as she's lighting up the "scientist" boyfriend. She doesn't know a musical reference. She was in the hypersleep like the others. She screams right before she dies. She also shows severe frustration and anger at David when he won't tell her what Weyland said to him. Her desire for his death seems all consuming as her first question when she is awake from hypersleep is whether or not there were any casualties, an obvious reference to Weyland. (though we did not know it at the time) She also sleeps with the captain, and unless this is a Michael Bay movie I think it is unlikely for the character to have sex with a robot and not be able to tell the difference. Seriously, the only thing in the film to even suggest she was a robot was that she was ice cold. That's more easily explained by the fact that she is a b who has just spent two years of her life in hypersleep so her father who has a few days left of life could travel across the universe on some idiotic search for super aliens that could save his life. If he's wrong and they can't she's wasted two years and then has to go back and if he's right then she's screwed. She's just an ice b.
Spoiler I referenced this in my first review. Let me start in order. 1) The Fifield zombie made zero sense. Everyone else that got infected had their bodies explode, but he turned into a Zombie that wanted to kill people. ? 2) Her baby scenes made ZERO sense. Even the excuse that they infected her so they'd be callous to it made no sense. They didn't infect her. They infected her boyfriend (which was stupid) and the expected outcome was him blowing up like the last one they saw (the alien.) When it is discovered he impregnated Shaw there is NO WAY they could have foreseen that outcome. But even if they somehow did, she stumbles into the room covered in blood and half naked. If they wanted the alien alive they should have said something. If they didn't care about the alien they STILL should have said something. "What the hell happened to you?" "What a pity that you killed it." "Hey you are covered in blood, is a monster running loose on this ship?" "Damn girl you look good in that bikini but did you just go swimming in a blood pool?" I Mean SOMETHING should have been said, even if it was cold. 3) Plan B: Infect someone and see what happens. This is a totally idiotic plan. It should have been done better if they wanted the cliche android does something really bad scene. After seeing the head explode David as an android should have logically been able to deduce what would happen if he infected someone else. After making that deduction he would have realized there was no sense in doing so. The idea that he foresaw the possibility of the infection being able to mutate if passed with semen into Shaw into some sort of hybrid is insane.
^^ Blade Runner, also by Ridley Scott. His masterpiece. Spoiler Sean Young is an android, but she doesn't know it. She thinks she's human. But, as with Theron, something is definitely off. Not all androids know that they are androids. Not all creations know that they are their parents' mistakes. Not all creations consider themselves replaceable. Humans, androids, Aliens.
Ah ok. Haven't seen that film yet. Spoiler Still, it doesn't make sense. If she WAS an android it served no plot purpose, wasn't delved into, made no difference and wasn't hinted at beyond a subtle joke by a man trying to get laid. I think Vickers=android is just sci-fi fanboy imagination trying to create easter eggs in a film.
The movie is pretty obvious. And straight forward. I don't think there are a ton of unanswered questions here - but just a few. Spoiler The black goo is clearly is some sort of substance that originally unlocks DNA and liberates it. I lyses cellular material and leaves behind strands of DNA. A billion years ago, the people who had this substance traveled to earth and someone sacrificed themselves to create life on earth. Probably with the intent to create life somewhere else as a religious edict. In the ensuing billion years, something has changed. Now the goo has been weaponized. Now instead of just lysing cells and unleashing DNA, it alters DNA. It changes DNA to make for these weird disturbed bio-mechanical hyper aggressive creatures. Biological weapons. We saw what the goo did to the little earth worms - turning them into killer snakes. And what it did to the geologist. And what it would have done to Halloway which is why he want to be burnt to death. The clue as to why the goo was weaponized is in the fact that some of the Space Jockey's had been exposed to the goo and something went wrong. The dead one decapitated itself the way Halloway wanted to be immolated. It had the goo on it's head. The big statue implies a religious theme, meaning that their god is also human like, and it is very likely the goo is considered holy. So we go from a Space Jockey sacrificing themselves to create life - a sign of purity and goodness, to Space Jockey's with weaponized goo and they are violent - killing David and Weyland without much an effort to communicate. It implies that the goal is genocide. The armor and masks imply that they are soliders and that this is a military arm of the race. Why would they want to wipe out what they had created and why wait a billion years to do it? Simple, it wasn't the same them. The maps they found on the cave were not an invitation. They were a warning. There is no reason for someone to interact with the local inhabitant life to tell them to go to a place so they can be wiped out when they were able to go to earth already and wipe them out far easier. It was to warn them to either prepare for the Apocalypse or to tell them to go there and destroy whatever they found. So it appears there is a civil war going on here, two different clans of "Engineers". One that creates life, one that is more fascist and sees the humans as inferior and needs to be cleaned out. In a perverse twist, the xenomorphs as a mix of humans and Space Jockeys, although their DNA is identical. But it explains why the Alien is so tough and strong and how it is able to reproduce. Originally the goo just weaponizes and existing organism. But when Halloway has sex with Shaw, the goo weaponizes reproduction as well. The Squid - or facehugger - is really just a penis that injects part of the DNA into the host. The DNA's combine to form a new create which the host gives birth through their chest. Halloway was the turned into the original facehugger. That's probably what went wrong at the base. They had dead space jockey's with chest bursts. The question really is why wasn't there any evidence of xenomorphs there...just space jockey's. This implies that the xenomorphs has been removed. That either the Space Jockey's "cleaned-up" after the mess or that the xenomorphs left on another spaceship as stowaways. It might also make sense that at some point the Space Jockey's ended their conflict and decided that the military base should just be shut down and buried, but that the one in statis never got the message. The dead ones were dated 2k years old after all.
I felt this movie wasn't necessarily bad, just rather tame and uneventful unless you closely follow the Aliens series. In general, I didn't particularly feel any connections to the characters and a lot of the plot points have been done over and over in the sci-fi genre. 5.5/10
I was disappointed the shot of her praying wasn't in the movie. It would have made that scene way more compelling. And of the fact that this movie was allowed to be made, that Ridley was given the keys to showcase his vision...it's even more impressive considering they were allowed to keep it R and that he was given free reign in the first place, considering how Fox butchered Kingdom of Heaven and the lukewarm reception Robin Hood received.
