See this is where I disagree, if you trade Lowry and you can't sign Dragic the team is going to suffer next year....which, gets you a much higher draft pick. So for me, it is Goran or bust.... DD
Fair enough. Your opinion is reasonable and it might be the right thing to do. Hind sight will bring the answer.
I see a 3-some coming up Toronto Outgoing: #8 pick Andrea Bargnani Toronto Incoming: Kyle Lowry Patrick Patterson Orlando Outgoing: Dwight Howard Orlando Incoming: Samuel Dalembert (option not picked up/cap room) Andrea Bargnani #8 Pick #14 Pick #16 Pick Houston Incoming: Dwight Howard Houston Outgoing: Kyle Lowry Samuel Dalembert Patrick Patterson #14 Pick #16 Pick (optional) Toronto: Get a great PG in Lowry. Orlando: Can get cap relief with Dalembert's contract and a decent player in Bargnani. Plus have 4 first round draft picks (could do so much with this to rebuild) Houston: Gets a superstar Center in Dwight Howard and can try to attract Deron Williams to join the team. If Deron Williams does not want to sign with the Rockets, go after Steve Nash or try to resign Dragic. PG: (Williams/Dragic/Nash)/??? SG: CLee(resign)/Kmart/Budinger SF: Parsons/Budinger/Morris PF: Scola/Morris/D-Mo C: Howard/Camby/D-Mo That team can compete and win.
Might as well BUST if you're relying on Goran to take you anywhere. He's a nice player that's above average at best. You make it sound like Dragic is a bonafide superstar.
That's right. He's not walking away from umpteen million paychecks until he gets old or seriously hurt. You can mark Pau down for another 7-8 years.
Lowry has a great future...and has proven to be able to carry great amounts of weight and he is relentless at attacking...and has the physical size and quickness to deal with bigger guards... That being said Dragic is the better shooter I consider them both above avg PG's especially when looking at the talent in the PG dept in today's PG driven league... 1. Rose, 2. Paul, 3. Williams, 4. Rondo, 5. Parker 6. Westbrook, 7. Nash...etc. so on and so forth...you get my point... Lowry and Dragic are definitely not better than any of these 7 I just mentioned. Period.
Well if you think he has a chance... what little chance he did have are now all gone. All bets are off.
And you didn't even mention young future studs like John Wall and Kyrie Irving. And possibly Kemba Walker and Brandon Knight. Then you have players like Steph Curry, Brandon Jennings and Ricky Rubio who also have much brighter futures than Lowry/Dragic. I put Lowry/Dragic in the same category as Ty Lawson and Jrue Holiday. They're all good above average PG's that get the job done but the chances of them becoming stars are slim and a superstar are none.
spankz141...thats how much it would take toronto to give up just the 8th pick, lol forget about including andrea haha.
Yea thats my point...For example. B Jennings avg 19.1 ppg...and went totally under the radar...Every team in the NBA now has good PG's...but extraordinary...Lowry and Dragic will never ever get there...
Brandon Jennings has hollow stats. IMO, he's either the worst or second worst starting PG in the NBA. He is terribly inefficient and does not make his teammates or his team better. And he's not winning and hasn't won yet. Until he does the things I just mentioned, he's not worth having on my team.
Did you forget about the part where the Rockets still have Lowry (or their multiple first round picks) to trade for something else?
If they didn't go all in for out this year then why would they next? I assume Zoran is part of Goran strategy? It'll be interesting to see how Dragic's contract is structured - - front loaded to allow to mitigate future tax penalties? If Lowry goes for a pick then the Rox get a @5.75m TE. Where might it be used?
The same could be said about Dragic/Lowry. They're not exactly winning and they haven't won anything either. Not sure they make their teammates better either. Dragic and Lowry are what they are. Reliable starters on a .500 team with marginal upside. Jennings is 4 years younger than both and he has much less experience yet he carried the Bucks for most of the season and almost single handedly carried them to the playoffs with a much worse supporting cast than our Rockets. He's improved all facets of his game each year and shot about the same percentage from the field as Lowry's "breakout year" last year. If you made those statements about Jennings after his rookie year I would agree but he's developed nicely each year and I can only see him continuing to get better. Jennings is a stud.
Pretty good framework. This is one of the more reasonable trades I have seen for Howard. If these teams were talking and a deal were imminate, I would envision a few more parameters or considerations would have to be added. 1) Hedo would be involved. If Orlando parts ways with Dwight, then they would use the oppertunity to move Turkoglu's contract as well. And since he failed miserably in Toronto, I would envision him being shipped to Houston. 2) For Toronto to part with their 1st round pick and Bargnani, they would need more in return then Lowry and Patterson. With the Rockets more then likely having to add Turkoglu, we would have to move out more salary which means Scola would probably replace Patterson in the deal, and Toronto would also probably ask for either Morris, Parsons or Budinger.
The deal is a good move for us as is. If we add Parsons in that trade I'd be pissed. Parsons and Dragic are the two best players on the team IMHO, as we keep the two of them and add DMO next year I'm happy.
The problem is most of you people are always wrong when hindsight comes around. Keeping Lowry will only lead to getting Gasol. Guess who goes there in that trade anyways? Guess who the Lakers want? Its Lowry. So again in the Gasol trade its for Lowry because thats all the Lakers want from us. So what we should do is trade Lowry anyways for a draft pick. We dont need to go round and round about what Morey would do. We all know he would love to trade for Gasol. If he Keeps Goran will do that with Lowry anyways. So what I want is a draft pick instead.
