I believe it has to be one calendar year from when the player signed. they cannot announce that part of the trade until then. So there is no telling when we will find out. Most likely in the next month or 2. Edit: Correct that one source says they can be traded a year after they are drafted not signed. Edit 2: And another source says after signing. I was pretty sure it was signing when I posted, so I would go with that. I have looked on the MLB site and cannot find anything.
KC signed picks between June 12 and August 15th, 2011. So most likely should find out by August 20 who we get. The higher selected players signed in August so the later the better.
What is the purpose of the PTBNL? Is the player decided at the time of the trade and not announced? If so, that seems pointless and silly that the player is stuck in the wrong organization for a year. Is the player decided later? If so, what is the incentive for the team trading away the PTBNL to accept trading anyone except their crappiest possible PTBNL?
Alot of times with the PTBNL the team is given a list of players from which to choose 1 from at a later date ... that way they get to follow the group for a while and see which player improves the most etc..
For the Astros, the later we find out, the better it is since the Royals signed their best picks in August.
Ehhh... not so sure the later the better ... we could have the pick of a few later round draft choices and then decide based off of how they perform for KC's minor league teams before we complete the trade ... just cause we can get a player in june doesnt mean we will if we want to watch 2 or 3 others play and then take the one who performs best by the end of july or august .
If it's a draftee, he can't be traded for a year after he signs. It appears that is the case in this instance because Luhnow indicated that that player was the key to the deal. I assume based on Luhnow's comments, the player has already been decided.
I can't believe the Astros got anything significant for for Humberto Quintero and Jason Bourgeois. They are reserves at best. Kevin Chapman the other guy the Astros got in the deal is a lefty with a very good arm but control issues. He is having a solid year at Corpus though.
This makes a lot of sense. That seems like a logical way to do it and make it fair/workable for both sides. To me, this is a stupid rule if it works that way. Why prevent people from being traded for a year if you actually can trade them but just not tell anyone? If that's the case, they are just hurting everyone involved - the player is stuck in the wrong organization, the Astros don't get to develop him with their own people, and the Royals are stuck developing a player who's not even theirs.
I think the year after rule is to prevent teams from essentially stright up trading draft picks.. who would trade picks if they didnt get the players until a year later ?? thats why the rule is in place
That is the way the rule works and there are lots of stupid rules with respect to the MLB draft. For instance, if there were an obvious top pick (e.g. Bryce Harper), the Astros should be free to flip that pick right now for a number of prospects if they don't want to pay his price.
I expect the rule was put in place to protect a kid right out of high school from getting shuffled around the country too much.
But the first year out of the draft, most prospects are in A-ball. Is it really a huge loss to not have them for that year? I think it's annoying for reasons I stated earlier (players not getting developed by the right organization), but it doesn't seem to be prohibitive - as evidenced by all the PBTNL that are involved in trades. I guess I could see this - though if you trade them right when they are drafted, they aren't really ever getting shuffled around. My other question - if KC and Houston upper management know the PBTNL, does the player himself know? Do his coaches know? If so, do they put less effort into developing him?
Especially wit the first few rounds i think most organizations really want to develop guys their own way ... i wouldnt want another team developing my 1st round draft pick knowing he was going to be traded ... also different organizations obviously have different approaches in developing players. With the options of winter ball and the like i think organizations really want as much control as possible over their ( future ) prospect I have no idea about the first 2 parts of the 2nd question ... and while the obvious answer to the 3rd is no ... i think there is probably some unwritten courtesy in place to prevent that from happening
I would not be surprised if KC made personnel moves to hide (not promoting out of extended spring training until the last possible moment) or lower the value (promoting out of EST into AA where PTBNL player will struggle) of players that want to keep most out of the PTBNLs. You know that Luhnow is going to want to crunch the minor league stats for all of the PTBNLs, or he will have to go on college or high school stats which are of lesser value.
