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2012 Presidential Election: Romney vs. Obama

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rimrocker, Apr 11, 2012.

  1. bigtexxx

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    And the economy is relatively better than it would be under a Republican leader.
     
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    I'm not surprised by this turn of events from team Romney. The guy just doesn't relate to common people or the middle class.

    via TPM--

    The Romney campaign seems to have decided that it can’t repair the damage to his chances with Hispanics post-primary and he’ll focus on getting votes elsewhere.

    Romney Silent On Immigration As Latino Vote Slips Away
     
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    Our ruling

    We believe the measure that best fits Romney’s no-frills claim is to use raw dollars -- and by that measure, spending rose by an average of about 5 percent per year during Romney’s term. We also should note that many of Romney’s efforts to shape the budget were summarily rejected by the Democratic legislature, so claiming full credit for any budgetary trends on his watch is a stretch. On balance, we rate Romney’s claim False.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...omney-said-he-actually-cut-spending-massachu/
     
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    Can't believe how Romney gets away from lying so much. Obama is going to squash him on his MA record.
     
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    So?

    Will Texas give Romney the nomination today?
     
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    On that note, if you live in Texas, PLEASE go vote in the primary today. Turnout in Texas is terrible as usual. It's truly embarrassing.

    And for those that dont think the primary doesn't matter because the presidential race is already decided, we have a very competitive Republican Senate primary and a lot of action in terms of the nominees for State House seats. Most of the action is on the Republican side but we have open primaries so you can pick which primary you vote in.
     
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    Did anyone in Texas vote today?
     
  11. Batman Jones

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    I used to love voting, but it's hardly worth it in Texas anymore. It gets demoralizing to have every good thing or person you vote for blown out by 20 points. I do vote in mayorals, gubernatorials, and presidentials though, just for the heck of it. With mayoral races it actually matters.
     
  12. mc mark

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    Well, it was more of a GOP primary so I getcha. I was really more curious to hear from Rmoney fans.
     
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    I did, and enjoyed doing so. Busy doing my part to spread some Blue.
     
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    did my part to prevent dewhurst from getting an easy win
     
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    Ever since Perry trounced Bill White I find it pretty depressing to vote in a state-wide race anymore. If we were down 10 points, okay, I'd stay as optimistic as I was about the Francis/Mobley Rockets; I could believe in pulling out an underdog win, even if that belief was irrational. But being down 20 to total jackasses just reminds me what kind of state I live in and I don't need to be reminded about that.
     
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    NBC calls it for Romney in TX giving him enough delegates outright.

    Obama vs Romney
     
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    ....and blues.:grin:
     
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    Even After Texas Primary, Romney Will Remain The 'Presumptive' Nominee

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpoli...ry-romney-will-remain-the-presumptive-nominee

    At the moment the polls close in Texas Tuesday evening, most media outlets and very likely even the Mitt Romney campaign will declare that he has secured enough delegates to win the Republican nomination for president.

    For what it's worth, there are two problems with that statement. First, as a practical matter, Romney actually won the Republican nomination when the other candidates competing for delegates in the primaries and caucuses stopped doing so. That was weeks ago.

    And second, as a technical matter, Romney will not have the "bound" delegates he would need to win the GOP nomination, regardless of how well he does Tuesday night.


    According to the count by the website thegreenpapers.com, Romney goes into Texas with 907 bound delegates — those who are required by rules to vote for him through at least the first ballot.

    Texas awards its 152 available delegates proportionally to the popular vote. So even if Romney were to win 75 percent of the vote, that would provide him 114 more delegates — giving him a total of 1,021. That would mean he couldn't get to 1,144 until June 5, when California, New Jersey, New Mexico and South Dakota all hold primaries.

    So why the discrepancy between the count of bound delegates (which, by the way, is the stricter standard the Republican National Committee has used in its own delegate counts) and the media count? It's because most media have followed The Associated Press, which has included estimated allocations from contests that do not formally bind delegates to particular candidates.

    For example: According to the AP's count, Romney won 13 delegates in the Iowa caucuses at the start of the primary season this January. But the Iowa delegates won't technically be awarded until the Iowa GOP state convention on June 16. Texas Rep. Ron Paul's supporters have attended other state conventions en masse and have won disproportionate numbers of delegates for Paul, so there is a reasonable chance that Iowa's delegate slate will be something other than the media estimates following the January voting.

    All of this would matter much more if the Republican race still had another candidate actively campaigning against Romney — such as what happened four years ago in the Democratic race when then-candidate Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton continued their battle into June.

    But the Republican race this year ended the way most primary races have ended in recent decades — with a front-runner building a large lead, and the challengers running out of money and dropping away. Even if Paul's people can continue peeling off delegates in states that have already voted, it's hard to see how they can accumulate anywhere near Romney's number.

    All of which means that any question of bound versus unbound delegates at this point has become a distinction without much of a difference. Romney for all practical purposes became the GOP nominee the night after longest-lasting challenger Rick Santorum lost the Wisconsin primary on April 3 and suspended his campaign days later.

    Romney became the presumptive GOP nominee then, and will remain the presumptive nominee until the assembled delegates in Tampa make it official in August.

    For what it's worth.

    S.V. Dáte is the congressional editor for NPR's Washington Desk.
     
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    I suffer the blues come November in the down ballot races, thumbs. :)-

    I have to disagree with Batman about voting, though. Democrats have to build up the Party in Texas, and the best way to do that is to increase the number of Democrats voting. Far too many stay at home thinking it is hopeless to bother. It drives me crazy, and can affect whether a down ballot Democrat can squeak out a victory in districts where our numbers are significant, IMO.
     
  20. Batman Jones

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    I've been doing it every election, in spite of the demoralizing results, for 25 years, Deckard.

    Fool me 25 times, shame on me.

    I vote for president and I vote when a friend is running. That's about it. Because in Texas it does not matter.
     

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