African Americans support marriage equality at higher rate than general population

You could say that about any group in America, show data from the pre-1990s-2000s, that showed heavy support towards LGBT issues.

Most groups were disproportionally opposed to gay marriage, especially. Furthermore, I find your statement dubious without actual statistics and research.

 

This cannot be factually true. If most groups were disproportionately opposed to something, it wouldn't be disproportionate anymore.

Umm, just look at exit polls and survey data from all the marriage equality votes.

 

You are confusing your ownself. It's still disproportionate, sweetie, because I'm assuming that there was a minority of people (mostly liberal and LGBT people) who supported LGBT rights and gay marriage. The only way, it wouldn't be disproportionate is if everyone was equally against the progress of LGBT rights and marriage equality laws.


Do you know the difference between "ALL" or "MOST"? Most creates a disproportion, if it were "all" or "everyone" that disproportion would not exist. Because, there's no ration, but given the expansive nature of most surveys and the preferences of people. It's nearly statistically impossible to get 100% support or opposition on most issues. You can an issue in gain support or votes from 99.8889% of that population, it's still disproportionate. Because, the ratio between the supporting side versus the opposing side still exists. It's not in complete unison.

Well apparently that's not true, according to the original post/article, or did you misread that as well.

 

You're out of your depth talking down to Major.

And you're incorrect as well. When I said blacks were disproportionate in their opposition to gay marriage I meant that a higher percentage of blacks opposed it than other races.

This is a plain fact. You tried to dismiss it earlier by saying, go back to the 90's and everyone opposed it. Well, it's true that lots of people opposed gay marriage in the past. But here is the point:

Blacks have always opposed it in greater numbers, proportionate to their representation in any given poll, than any other race.

Disproportionate is a word you apparently do not understand. Let me try and help with an imaginary example. There are 25 whites, 25 blacks, 25 Latinos and 25 Asians. 15 of the whites opposed gay marriage. So did 15 of the Asians and 15 of the Latinos. But 20 of the blacks did. Disproportionate.

Polls on this issue did not go fallow between the 90s and last week. The polling on this has been constant. Blacks have always been more likely to oppose gay marriage than those of other races. Over the last week this has apparently changed; 2 polls now show this, let's wait for at least a couple more to be sure.

This is great news for marriage equality. But your attempts to muddy the past as if there is not absolute and irrefutable polling data that puts the lie to your posts are in vain.

 

Like I really care. Who is he supposed to be, anyway?

Again as I said, earlier produce some statistics. Over the last 25 years or so, find one group who hasn't been disproportionately opposed to gay marriage or LGBT issues. Especially in right-wing leaning conservative, mostly Caucasian states. Yes, I am sure they are split over the progress of LGBT rights and alternative marriages, especially in the pre 2000s decades.

Everyone was not against it, that's not true. LGBT couples did not just start popping up in 2000s, while there were people mostly on the left-wing who supported marriage equality without regards to gender and having marriage remain exclusively between a male and female.

1. That recent poll is proving that wrong.

2. Disproportionate, yet provide the numbers for those ethinc groups. Moreover, why don't you provide the numbers from different states on different white and black population. As I've said earlier, do you really think the states that are mostly white, Christian, conservative, and right wing are not disproportionately in support of gay marriage bans. You know a state, like Kentucky is not going to be overwhelmingly against such marriage versus New York or Maryland.

Moreover, do you ever focus on the specifics of a poll, when it comes to black voters. Do you examine difference between which religion that they may be a part of? The differences in age groups, social status, and etc. Younger voters are more likely to favor over older voters that's from any group. You have to take all of those factors into consideration, before anyone makes a blanket statement.



3. No statistics or data from the 1990s:
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/08/opinion-on-same-sex-marriage-appears-to.html
http://www.haasjr.org/sites/default/files/Marriage Polling.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Marriage_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-s...United_States_by_state#State-by-state_listing
http://gaymarriage.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=003979

 

If you are like me you asked - What the hell is marriage equality?

 

You're not understanding what disproportionate means. It does not mean, as you seem to thing, greater than 50%. It means a higher or lower level in comparison to other groups. Thus, if 60% of all Americans oppose something, and 75% of one demographic group does, that group disproportionately opposes it. If 50% of another group support it, that group disproportionately supports it.

For an example of this, look at exit polls of California in 2008. Because it was a Presidential election, we got very good and detailed exit poll data. You can see the gay marriage outcome broken down by race, and you will see certain rates disproportionately opposed. Here is the link to make life easier:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#CAI01p1

The overall result was 52%-48% supporting it. Some groups, like Latinos and Whites, basically supported it at the same rate as the general population. Others, like Black voters, supported it at a disproportionate rate.

That's the whole point of this thread. For the first time as far as we know, after Obama came out in support of gay marriage, African Americans views have changed and no longer seem to be disproportionately oppose gay marriage.

 

Clarify if you want any further discussion. Right now this just reminds me of some of the older guys at my previous job who would snicker at the term "Native American."

 

the only person bent out of shape is you as usual

 

I'm not bent out of shape. I'm arguing against a guy that can't be bothered to look up the definition of the word "disproportionate" and doesn't understand it when it's explained to him. How seriously could I possibly take that?

I'm glad that blacks are starting to come around and are not as likely to be disproportionately opposed to equal rights for gays as they very recently were.

 

I'm not sure if this obvious fact has been mentioned but black people or "the blacks" are also disproportionately religious.

In my experience, religious affiliation affects feelings towards homosexuality more than race.