China published "The Human Rights Record of the United States in 2011"

We get it. You intend to clear up the confusion in regards to how the USA is portrayed by themselves vs. others, and you think this helps your cause. We also get that you have a hard on for bashing the USA by whatever subtle and not so subtle means that you can. Terrible example by which to do this, but point taken. Or maybe it's the perfect example, if you're trying to undermine your own arguments. It depends on the perspective one takes, I suppose.

It's really not very constructive (less so than usual for you), and seems bent on a single focus, ignoring everything else. We're workin' on it. It's a work in progress. How are things over there?

 

There is that at systemic level, but there is also balantant disregard and abuse of one's human rights by individuals. It's much like wild wild west in China where one man can be the law of a locality. Well, China certainly has come a long way from Mao's time, and the CCP at least try to put it together to ensure properity of the people. However, nowhere is China up to the standard enjoyed by the rest of civilized world. As you like to put in relative terms, why not measure it up against the likes of US, Europe, Japan, why only compare to middle east or north korea.

 

Human Rights in the US have declined over the past 3 decades or so. They're still much, much better than in China.

 

Well... I thought I made that obvious, but if not, I'll outright state it. It's not up to the standards of the US, Europe or Japan.

 

Well, care to define human rights in your state/culture centric view?

 

My state/culture point of view? I'm not sure what you're getting at. Okay... Freedom of speech is the most important. Freedom to bear arms is important, because it's a tangle barometer of how much the government is willing to give up safety over control. I own 4 guns. Due process is important also. Why would you ask me that? Is it different than yours?

 

Well, that's the point. Human right is human right - they are absolute. If China does not guranttee equal enforcement of the set of well-recognized human rights, I am not sure what you mean by "It's not up to the standards of the US, Europe or Japan". That standard is not some fancy man-made eloborate system. It's the basic respect of those rights and equal guranttee of those rights to everybody when they are violated even by the power.
We are talking about basic human rights here, absolute right that is free from any collective goal imposed by the authority - like if a man is suspected of committing a crime, there ought to be a fair trial where the man gets to defend the accusation. You seem to be saying it is understandable that China can disregard such human rights of a Chinese's because of China's unique developmental stage? Am I right?

 

Then I'm not sure why we're arguing. If you read my post, I was saying the Chinese government affords a certain amount of freedom to satisfy it's citizens... at least to the amount where it's disingenuous to compare the Middle East with China. Freedom doesn't always translate into human rights, and I'm thinking you're using them interchangeably.

The right to smoke at a restaurant is not a human rights issue, nor is the right to drive on the sidewalk. The right to free speech is.

 

Well, wish you could be a real Chinese to see for yourself what those freedom mean. I assume you were a LaoWai in China. Chinese people are not content. Getting rich and getting the hell out seems to be the way in China. Of course China does not stone someone for having an affair. Adultery actually is quite ope over there. These freedom are moot in the context of a disccusion on Chinese human rights. No I never confuse freedom with human rights and I don't understand why make such a distinction.

 

And?

For some reason, you think I'm defending China. I didn't even like it there the last time I visited. I'm just stating what is. You've been there, so tell me what I said was wrong? And yes, I agree, low level freedom doesn't mean anything without human rights on a larger scale. You're making an argument where this is none.

My first post was a response to a previous one, just stating the difference between a totalitarian state and an authoritarian with China being the later. Re-read my post and tell me exactly what I said anything to the contrary to what you said? Anything beyond that is probably speculation on your part.

Well... I guess the only real disagreement here is that you're saying Chinese are rushing to get out of there. My experience has been that most people just live life and reserve getting rich and moving out for drunken conversations. There's also a contradicting sense of nationalism among these conversations.

Let me repeat again... NO, I do like the current Chinese government, or do I think it's better than the US, European, Taiwan or Japan. I'm just saying what is. K?

 

So you are not working on improving things in your dictatorship? Do you speak up against the human rights violations in the United Arab Emirates? Or are you part of it, since you work for the government of a dictatorship?

 

What a convenient excuse to keep working for a dictatorship. So as long as people elsewhere in the world are dying, you don't have to work on improving things in your own country.

 

So how many North Koreans have you saved today?

In your ridiculous, self-aggrandizing, r****ded sermon, you forgot that there is another part to the equation: What you can actually influence. Following your "logic", you always have an excuse.

You see someone severely injured in a car wreck? "Oh, so many people in Rwanda are dying, so I won't help this one guy."

You work for a dictatorship that systematically abuses human rights? "Oh, people in Iraq are dying and it's all the Americans' fault and I post anti-American stuff on a basketball message board, so I'm doing ok!"

 

We all know how you love to point fingers...although you are the one working for a dictatorship that systematically abuses human rights.

 

The difference is that I do not currently actively work for a dictatorship that systematically abuses human rights.