This entire discussion is r****ded. Until the Rockets get a super star, Lowry is completely irrelevant to the future of the team. If Morey can use him to move within striking distance of drafting an athletic big, you do not hesitate to make that trade. You make it yesterday, you make it today, you make it tomorrow, you make it every freaking day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Have you seen Curry play defense? It's horrible. At least Lowry was a decent defender. And the only reason his stats are that high is because he was with the team that would score a ton a points. Problem is they give up more. I know that Lowry's fan appeal is probably at an all-time low, but from a neutral standpoint, his play was at least above average for the season.
It's a clutch fans syndrome type thing, it's like every other player we have is either future all-star in waiting, or is an elite or near elite level player. It's a hyper exaggerated potential scale that I have to say I agree with what some of the Jazz fans were saying about some Rocket fans thinking Lowry is some sort of superstar. I was about to say that they were exaggerating a little bit, but after reading some of the responses in these Kyle Lowry thread. They have a point, and one poster even suggested if Rockets management felt the same way as some of these fans then Rockets are going to be stuck with Lowry for another season. Would teams like to have him? Sure, especially with a void at point guard or an upgrade. Do they want to trade the whole draft for him, or near superstar level player? Probably not.
Exactly!!! Dwight goes on the block every team would get an upgrade....Kyle is a total upgrade for less than 10 teams...if that...he's not a franchise player,he's a very good player but this is silly,he doesn't have the value on or off te court with jersey sales to pull something like this...Dwight can and did, they fired SVG and almost hired shaq at gm to make Dwight happy....what a horrible organization,inmates running the asylum there in Orlando,hope we don't follow suit
McHale while not the greatest coach or even in the top 5 or 10, with no off season, got the Rockets within striking distance. Part of that was the hard work of guys like Lowry, Dragic, Lee and Scola but there is no doubt that most coaches within the same situation probably wouldn't have gotten even that much. I did think they did Lowry a bit wrong with so much attention being focused on Dragic. That being said, Lowry based off all the games he played after he came back wasn't healthy enough to take back his starting role. Personally, I think Lowry is a better defensive and scoring PG but no doubt Dragic makes better decisions with the ball, such as passing. Unfortunately, Lowry in his b****ing has forced everyone's hand and maybe we can get a quality player back for him. If not, I hope they dump him off with the Bobcats.
Lowry plus Anthony Davis? Maybe Jerry Sloan? They could surprise some in the weak east because their roster players aren't that bad as their record was this year..
Being a pg doesn't just mean making plays, there's other stuff like defending rebounding and hitting 3s, and Lowry does all of those at fairly well. Sure he cannot pass as well as Nash, but he defends and rebounds better than him. He can't pass, defend and reb as well as Rondo, but he can shoot much better than him etc. etc. etc. The bolded part of your post doesn't make sense. PGs are the least able to lift their teams up out of mediocrity, simply because a large part of their skillset relies on other people. Deron couldn't make the Nets into a decent team, and CP3 couldn't do anything in NO even when he had Okafor, West and Landry on the squad. Lowry won't be your best player if you want to be a contender, but he could be a foundation guy because he has no holes in his game. Not only that his contract is really friendly too, he's making half of what Rondo does, and 1/3 of players like CP3 and Deron. This gives enough capspace to put a really good team together, rather than say getting CP3 and one other dude and that's your entire team.
The "where was Kyle at 21?" question really made this post just silly. Where was Steve Nash at 21? Where was Dirk at 21? The list really goes on and on and on.
Im just saying at 22 and 21 Westbrook and Holliday are nowhere near done developing while Kyle at 26 still isn't as good as either while being older pretty much at his ceiling....Holliday has 4 years to get stronger and develop his outside shot
Proof of how underrated this guy is right there! He's a top 8 PG 1- CP3 2- Rose 3- Westbrook 4- Rondo 5- DWill 6- Parker 7- Nash 8- Lowry
How much are those guys to cost though? And how big of a upgrade are they going to be over Lowry? WB already costs max salary, is he 3x as good as Lowry? How about Holiday, there's no chance Philly locks him up at 6M a year. The problem here is everyone here seems to always think in a vacuum, Player A is better than player X. But the best TEAM always wins, and with Lowry's contract and his amazing production for his contract you can actually put out a better team. If OKC had Lowry instead of WB as their PG they could keep their current core (Harden, KD, Ibaka and that dude from the Celts) for the next decade or so, and even have extra guys for depth. Now, OKC's window is until Harden and Ibaka's rookie contracts expire, no way they keep all of those guys+their depth.
I'm not only going to disagree with this - I'm going to disagree with it strongly. Ability matters. Only one of those guys is an MVP candidate. When you're t he best in your field, no matter what field, you have options. But the more replaceable you are the less options you have and the less deserving you are to a sense of entitlement. And while we may be created equally, some folks elevate themselves above the rest of us through dedication, hard work and talent.
All this talk abt Lowry vs Westbrook and the cost is silly....the original argument was Lowry is an average point guard not Dwight Howard who is so unique and should keep his mouth shut and just play....I proceeded to name all the pg I felt were on his level or better to show how average Kyle is....please come up with a list of 20 current centers at or above Dwight's level of play that's all I said...no player is worthy of a coach getting fired, but if one ever were it would be someone like Dwight....not a 6 ft pg who puts up mediocre all stars and barely sniffs the top 100 if even that in terms of jersey sales
but lawson is much quicker, more athletic, and does a better job at getting to the rim compared to lowry.
