Right now i know you guys have clicked on here and are ready to throw down with old Coach. But, before you do, let me tell you a story. If it begins to sound familiar to you, please, join in. Big superstar demands trade(or enters FA). Extremely smart, shrewd and all around great GM of a very good, young, tough and almost ready to contend team jumps into action. He is actually one of the 1st GM's to meet up with the big star. The greatest GM ever finds new, crazy and inventive ways to present the big star with gifts. He promises the star all the chamionship jewelry that he can attain. Big star gives promising smile and sends GM home with dreams of whatever GM's dream of when they think they have a chance. Fast forward to two days before deadline, most promising GM ever hears through the grapevine that big star has been drawn mindlessly to the flashing lights of some other team. Horribly misunderstood GM is left looking foolish. He is forced to go scrambling to pick amongst the sick and dying of the league to throw onto his damn near perfectly built team, hoping that legally blind player has enough life to raise an arm. Now how do i know this story so well? Guys at this rate, i can see us having what is left of Eric Dampier at the end of our bench when the season begins. We need a change of stategy. Just so happens, the draft could give us that opportunity. If any trades are going to be made, they need to be made for picks. I know i have said it many times before, but it has to be heard. Our goal should be to get at least 2 more picks from this draft. Yes, i do mean with the 2 we have and D-Mo. First, i'll roll the eyes for youbecause i know thats what you are doing. Now let me give you my reasoning. First, i trust our coaching situation. Second, any trade will probably have us taking back a decent vet(on a not so decent contract). Third we... Were winning without, but still needed: Lowry Martin Morris Can still win without(with preparation): Scola/Pats Dally Bud Dallas' future pick In the case of the first 3, they alone could net us the 2 picks. "PT?!! We talkin about PT!" My solution to PT time for the rooks is not a simple one. It mostly has to do with scouting of the players in the draft. Try to draft players that are capable of contributing within the 1st half of the season. At least three of them and yes, i already feel that D-Mo will be able to contribute early. It just so happens i have a fix on two more myself. Then the others can go to the D-league maybe just until deadline. The D-league team runs the same system as Finch, so they won't miss a step. Plus, there will be space on the roster once players like Simpson, Fortson, Boykins?? and Smith are cleared. And finally...... "If there is a draft that you would want to rebuild from, it is the 2012 draft" As i have posted somewhere before, but some of you may have missed it. All that i have been hearing for a while now is "we need to rebuild like OKC or the Pacers". Well now is that opportunity. People have been calling this draft deep for a reason. The draft is not deep with the LeBrons, the Wades, the Kobes or the D Howards. What it is deep in are the Milsaps, the Lopez', the D. Jordans the Nashes, the Ginobilis, the Martins, the Battiers and the Boshes. Getting 4 players like these could go a long way in improving our team in a short time. Even if it's just to improve our bench. Besides, a good way to beat a superteam is to have a super bench. With one good draft, we can rebuild our team and have that bench now. Thank you for your time, Coach
I dont nobody disagrees too much. I just dont feel Morey is up to it anymore. So far he ahs shown no inclination towards trading for draft picks this year or doing anything but concentrating on old veteran Pau Gasol Its like he has a one track mind. If he fails? He just gives up completely on the rest of the strategy and makes a minor move sideways. What he should do is lay down the gauntlet and raft all new studs this year. Go 4 deep in draft picks this year if he can. Trade Scola, Lowry, Martin for draft picks. Go all out. Just not sure he has the guts and more importantly the know how to do so now.
I know many of you are not yet hip to the idea of having so many rookies. After all, the fear of loss is greater than the desire to gain. Your fear of losing out on another superstar(which will happen eventually) is greater than your desire to rebuild your team. A desire that is displayed night in and night out here on this forum. What gives?
Coach they want to continue to suck in at 500. Its clear these guys are fans of Morey and not the team. They do not like the idea of drafting for the future or rebuilding. Thats why they use dirty words like tanking to cover up the name of rebuilding. I dont know. These guys want Scola and Lowry more than winning seasons. its pretty weak minded to me.
I like to see it more as they need a little help. Listen, we are all fans of the same team. Like most fans, we want the best players in the league on our team. When those players don't want to come here, we are all left with same feeling. I have just grown tired of the same dog and pony show every year. The cycle must stop. Our future has to start sometime.
5 STAR THREAD!!!good job coachbadlee. I even twitted the idea of trade all the veterans to Daryl Morey's twitter account. I hope he can see us fans' ideas and make some changes like you mentioned earlier. The first thing first, Lottery on 30th. And after that, everything will be settled I believe. I will be on your side of Trading for picks. I do agree 2012 is the best time to draft cause from 2-30, there are talents everywhere.
You tweeted the wrong guy .... Send it to Les. Morey has stated on more than one occasion the best way to land an impact player is early in the draft. We know it , he knows it .... Les stands in the way of him doing anything about it. I have heard rumblings of Morey's job being on the line ... I cant see that being the case. Les has put him in a very difficult position and understands that Morey has come oh so close multiple times .... He's also made some pretty shrewd moves which (NYK pick) may not have turned out as well as hoped but were favorable outcomes(add the Dallas future pick to that NY transaction) .... the list of favorable deals he has struck is significant , even if the moves didnt result in superstars. Bottom line , Les knows how difficult a situation he has put Morey in and wont hold him accountable for that.
This is the best year to rebuild our team, we have what it takes to rebuild it, so iam hoping for a competitive team with a good bench for next year. C'MON MOREY MAKE IT HAPPEN THIS YEAR !!!!
Didn't read your post but I understand your question and want to help. Building a bench can seem complicated but is indeed pretty easy if you know how to do it. <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/EpnGiGHSQxM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Just trying to help you out with your attempt at humor. Really, you should read the opening post. It's not so bad. I actually made some good points.
"attempt at humor"? Pfff, my post was epic, sir. Back to topic: Read your post and agree with many things. But I don't see our need for Lowry and K-Mart. Dragic will be the starter at PG and we can get a decent backup PG with Lillard, Teague or Wroten. We can address the SG need in the draft with someone like one of the Lambs or other guys. I therefore agree with you wanting us to trade for additional picks as I see this draft at our chance to fill most roster holes.
This strategy has never worked, and is less likely to work than the path we are currently on. Saying a good way to beat a super team is with a super bench is clearly historically inaccurate.
Yes, you do. But OKC? Really? Durant is available (because Oden is Bill Russell II)? Harden is _______? Perkins is traded for Ray-Ray? They had serendipity and foresight. Foresight is usually hindsight in drafting circles. How do you get Davis or Gilchrist or TRob? Or anyone else seemingly able to dethrone the champs? Clear this roster of redundancies, combine with mid-level draft choices and turn into proven, productive players coming to roost in TheToyShop. Get 10 guys you trust add a couple of wizened vets and young development guys, and roll out the rock.
Coach Thank you for the well considered post. I appreciate the time, effort and thought that went into it. I actually was working on one that examined the possibility of obtaining 2 of the top 5 picks this year, but had not finished it. Maybe I will clean it up and package it as a reply to this post. Again thanks!
I hear ya, coach, but I simply do not agree with your strategy. I'm not necessarily opposed to a "total rebuild", but I think acquiring even more mid- to late 2012 first round picks is not only not the answer but also compounds some of the problems that have plagued the "rebuild on the fly with youth" component of the roster's transition over the past few years. Even if some veterans (Scola, Martin, Lowry) are traded, (1) there will certainly be some other veterans coming back (Pau and/or some serviceable salary-dumped veteran); and (2) the Rockets will want to give more time to their other young guys (Patterson, Morris, Parsons, Budinger and perhaps even G.Smith). I just don't see enough spots to merit the coaching challenges of taking on so many good prospects in a single season. I'd much rather acquire some FUTURE first round picks, since "a future first round pick" (which also don't count against the cap) seems to have more value than [guy who has already been drafted]. It may be somewhat illogical, but it nevertheless is how such assets are valued around the league. Future picks give a team far more options--either in trades or with the prospects that can be added later--with roster building. Also, the 2013 Draft will likely be better than many here expect. If we ARE going to trade for more picks this year, I'd rather do so to get a draft-and-stash pick like Evan Fournier or maybe some early second rounders (value picks or Euro stash guys). Nice arguments, coach. I just don't agree with your strategy.
