Exellent point. It should have been an upward trajectory if you are too believe Zimmerman and he should have had at least SOME blood of TM's recovered from his clothing if it went down the way he described it. I think it's pretty clear the reason the Special Prosecutor charged him is that she and her team flat out didn't believe him because of the inconsistencies in the evidence and his statements. This was evident in the bond hearing when you listen to the questions the State Attorney asked. And obviously Zimmerman lied that day about being indigent, which doesn't help his credibility. It will be very interesting to see what exactly he said to police that night when that evidence is released.
If this is your threshold for weighing evidence you have to discount everything Zimmerman has said, because he'd obviously be biased as well.
Nice post, detective. Just for the record the detective part was a joke, but the nice post part wasn't.
9mm won't make a large entrance wound and a shirt + hoodie will soak for a while. Small point but close range doesn't mean contact. Small point that doesn't change your argument, just want to make it clear though. Not sure what you call horizontal, but there was no exit wound so there is no ability to tell the exact trajectory. Also if his arm was at his side and gun near his stomach, there is plenty of room. Nothing to suggest he could not have fired with Martin on top of him. Martins arms are pretty freaking long which is the max length we are working with assuming he was still beating zimmerman. Your reasoning of bullet trajectory doesn't suggest this and "right after" the shot could be 5 seconds which is plenty of time to get up.
The entrance wound may not be large but puncturing the chest plus a lung and heart there more than likely was profuse bleeding Did the bullet not go through those items of clothing?
Trayvon was not killed by a gun. He was killed by the transfats from the bag of M&M's. The single greatest silent killer of all. Let that be a lesson to all of you.
Mostly internal collapsing the lung. If gunshots instantly gushed blood like they do in Hollywood tracking animals would be much more simple.
There are two things wrong with your statement. First, Lil Pun didn't say anything about "instantly" profuse bleeding. He was talking about profuse bleeding in general. And second, if an animal is shot through the lung and heart, it's very easy to track it.
And I corrected him it would be mostly internal. Instant was in reference to Hollywood, thus the new sentence. Not a big hunter are you? Heart lung shots are easy to find cause they usually don't go very far. They don't pour blood. I've shot pigs with a 9mm and they didn't bleed a drop. When I slit their throat it poured out even after they hung for 30 minutes. When you see talk about blood trails it was likely a little deer hit with a 7mm canon and had goo instead of lungs with a massive exit wound. If you use the proper bullet for the animal and distance there is no exit wound and the only blood you MIGHT see is on high brush that touches the actual wound. There is nothing wrong with my statements, sorry.
The idea that no blood means he wasn't on top just doesn't fly. He was wearing heavy clothing and shot with a low power handgun.
Strawman argument, gotcha. That's my point exactly. If an animal is shot through the lung and heart, it's very easy to track it b/c it's dead... Sarcasm meter broken?
Not really, you are telling me I'm wrong but I'm not. Most of the blood will go to the lung collapsing them. Unless he stayed under him for a few minutes then hugged him, there is no reason to think he SHOULD have blood. Any blood coming from the wound would ooze out and drip down the chest soaking into the shirt and hoodie he was wearing. My guess is zimmerman got up pretty fast.
You're probably right about the blood/clothing, but you were wrong about the animal analogy. In any case, the animal analogy is irrelevant to your main argument.
I was wrong saying if gunshot wounds gushed like hollywood animals would be easier to track? No, that is also true. Even a double lung shot doesn't mean it stops instantly. Sometimes those bastards can run 150 yards.
Lil Pun talked about blood flow from a punctured lung and heart. In your response to it, you said: Whether or not you intended it, the implication was that an animal shot through the heart and lung would not be easy to track. Obviously, everyone knows that if an animal is shot through the heart and lung, its easy to track b/c it's dead. Like I said before, you misspoke, but it's no big deal. I don't see why it's so hard for you to admit that...
I was actually basing that on my previous hunting sessions not Hollywood movies. Anyway, it's all guessing because none of us really know what the wound did. I have had animal bleed like they were Niagara Falls and I have had them where they don't. None of us really knows what happened in this situation, unfortunately.
This is probably why some people changed their story. Seems Mr Zimmerman was pretty tight with Sanford Police. So the question is, how much influence did the Sanford police have over witness statements? via TP -- New reports reveal George Zimmerman’s close connection to the Sanford police department. Zimmerman went on patrol rides with police officers, went to police department picnics, and even went back to the police station three days after he killed Trayvon Martin and wandered around unaccompanied.
Again he wouldn't have had to fear anything had he just listened to the dispatcher Zimmerman created his on danger.
